Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    24,281
    2,473
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    OK, wear masks.....got it.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  2. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    7,251
    772
    2,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Yep. I guess you glossed over this part: The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks.

    So yeah, masks don't work as shown in their study. Thanks for pointing out i'm correct.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  3. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    7,251
    772
    2,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    The grifter reminds of George Costanza in Seinfeld. It's not a lie if you believe it LOL. The hilarity that the head grifter thinks anyone listens to what he has to say regarding covid is so awesome. Can't fix stupid.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. mikemcd810

    mikemcd810 Premium Member

    1,885
    415
    328
    Apr 3, 2007
    I did see that. I also saw this:

    The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.

    And this:

    There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect.

    And this:

    There is a need for large, well‐designed RCTs addressing the effectiveness of many of these interventions in multiple settings and populations, as well as the impact of adherence on effectiveness, especially in those most at risk of ARIs.

    Despite that very clearly stating the results were inconclusive, some people decided to cherry pick one sentence out of the conclusion and erroneously run with that as a proven fact. Probably why they felt the need to put out a statement of clarification.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  5. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    7,251
    772
    2,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    They weren't inconclusive. They showed masks don't work. It's why Walensky tried to say that the Cochrane study was retracted because anyone with a brain knows what it said. I guess you and the head grifter will keep drinking the masking Koolaid. Drink up!
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. mikemcd810

    mikemcd810 Premium Member

    1,885
    415
    328
    Apr 3, 2007
    I guess the authors don't have a brain because they didn't say that
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,455
    1,128
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Endless quarreling over the efficacy of masks vs a computer printout, AKA in silico genomic sequence.
     
  8. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    7,251
    772
    2,013
    Apr 3, 2007

    So you just think Walensky was lying just to lie? LOL. Thanks for the laughs. Sorry you still think masks work. Some people won’t believe even after seeing the evidence they don’t work…
     
  9. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,455
    1,128
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
  10. mikemcd810

    mikemcd810 Premium Member

    1,885
    415
    328
    Apr 3, 2007
    I think Walensky was confusing the clarification statement with a retraction.

    I did wear a mask early on but don't wear a mask now unless asked (which hasn't happened for at least 6 months). Not that my personal opinion on masks has anything to do with reading and understanding the authors' conslclusion.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  11. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    7,251
    772
    2,013
    Apr 3, 2007

    You think the head of the CDC was “confused”? Come on man. If you really think that I don’t know what to say but I guess some people believe anything…
     
  12. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,455
    1,128
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    The CDC wasn’t confused at all about how easy it would be to terrorize the populace into compliance.
     
  13. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    11,820
    1,089
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Walensky misspoke when she said retract. But the Cochrane clarifying statement that their study did not definitively determine the efficacy of masks should be easy to understand. And again, according to the Cochrane authors themselves, anyone making the claim that their study definitively states that masks do not work are being, "inaccurate and misleading." Again, Cochrane author's words.

    I think masks work in lab environments, and when used properly in the real world for short time periods. Problem is, very few people wear masks properly. How many "chin straps" or "nose pokers" did we see during the mask period on any give day? At least 1/3, of not 1/2. And just how effective was the single use mask that has been hanging on a rearview mirror for 3 months with the driver using it every time he/she needed a mask? Not effective at all.

    As the Cochrane authors themselves state, it is difficult to nail down the efficacy of mask wearing. And I think even a RCT trial wouldn't be too effective, unless you get a large enough trial of people wearing them properly 100% of the time in one group. Good luck with that.

    As for the study itself, it didn't look at mask wearing, it looked at policies that promoted mask wearing and found that these policies themselves are inconclusive when it comes to COVID spread. One reason? The Cochrane study didn't look at mask wearing compliance, and proper adherence to mask wearing policies. So, if a place issues a mask policy, and only 50% comply, and out of those, only 50% wear them properly, is it the mask that failed to protect people? Or the lack of compliance? As Dr. Jessica Justman, an associate professor of medicine in epidemiology at Columbia Mailman School of Public Health said:

    "Masks work if you wear them," Justman said. "But if you wear them very imperfectly, if you wear them in a way where they are only loosely fitting on your face and you take them off, let's say in a crowded restaurant to eat a meal, you can't then conclude when you get COVID that the mask didn't protect you because if you don't wear the mask properly, you're not going to get the full protection."
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,012
    1,435
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Any honest doctor that has been through Medical School knows the Covid Mask policy was a complete virtue signal.

    But the propaganda has worked on some here for sure.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  15. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    24,281
    2,473
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    Anyone that has been through high school should know when to capitalize letters.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  16. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,012
    1,435
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Anybody living in 2023 would understand as communication has evolved. But when you have nothing to add and can’t argue the point. You use the old ad hominem.

    And then sadly you probably go put your mask on to virtue signal lol!
     
  17. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,519
    1,727
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    They obtained his actual file (link in first paragraph), showing the edits he made.

    Florida surgeon general altered key findings in study on Covid-19 vaccine safety

     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  18. gator95

    gator95 GC Hall of Fame

    7,251
    772
    2,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  19. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,455
    1,128
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Your spin!

    upload_2023-4-25_10-3-33.jpeg
     
  20. Emmitto

    Emmitto VIP Member

    8,735
    1,611
    933
    Apr 3, 2007
    Ha, posters "terrorized" by wearing a mask. By far the worst effect of COVID, well, if it didn't kill you, was how it pushed the already soft into essentially a liquid state.