Sorry Desantis, but I think Disney may have gotten the last laugh

So people need an incentive structure to NOT be a nazi?

 

Yup, says it all. I guess I can give him props for saying the quiet part out loud.

 

What you can't do is answer the simple question ... you are here boot licking Hugo DeSantis over this, saying things like he "took action for the greater good", but can't name a single way this would improve anything, or even what the problem with Reedy Creek/Disney was to begin with. It just makes you look dumb, and you just keep digging yourself in deeper. You might as well just admit that the sweet taste of galoshes is what you live for.

 

This is such a stupid distinction.

What the only way to be authoritarian now is through "legislation?" If you use your governmental authority to punish businesses who disagree with you on policy for disagreeing with you on policy, that is an authoritarian tendency, for which I have already provided examples.

 

I don't. My values and my personal beliefs and convictions are far more than enough.

But it certainly doesn't hurt on a societal level, especially in a growingly secular and relativistic society experiencing cultural and moral decay. It certainly helps to incentivize altruism and egalitarianism.

One way of creating a society of more Nazis is absolutely treating non-Nazis as though they were Nazis.

 

What exactly did I "say," gator_lawyer? Don't beat around the bush, come out and say it.

 

You think demanding examples of actual policy changes that punish businesses that criticize you is "a stupid distinction"? Okay, we'll go broader. Point me to legislation, regulatory changes, or executive orders, not empty words from politicians. I'm asking you for proof of Democrats actually using governmental authority, not just spouting off at the mouth.

 

It's funny to think that this is what he wants, or that is was some sort thing to be proud of ... being the pro-business, small government, "free state of Florida" representative that he pretends to be.,

 

I'm not playing this game with you.

I've done that exact thing in the past, but apparently you only define "authoritarianism" as this governmental breach of gator_lawyer's standard for rights. Not overreach of authority, not prejudicially punishing political adversaries, not intimidating people into silence and submission.

The narrowest of definitions where you dictate all the terms. Even if it is a "violation of rights," it's not if you say it isn't.

 

That's what everyone thinks about themselves, even Nazis....

 

@gator_lawyer

And what does the say about me chief?

That I'm aware of a human propensity for evil and that society shouldn't give people every reason to be evil? That an excellent way to destroy a civilization is to build a system that collapses in on itself the second that human nature becomes one that is motivated by self-interest... in other words, human nature remains the way it has been in its entire history?

 

And everyone else, as you just said.

Great one there bud. Trying so hard to call me a Nazi without violating forum rules. Nice try.

 

The two examples I saw in this thread were Gavin Newsom's empty words and something about some mayor. Did either involve actual policy changes? I know Newsom's did not. Did the mayor issue any sort of regulatory change to make it hard or impossible for Chick-Fil-A to set up shop there? If not, do you have an example of something like that? If not, do you understand why people treat DeSantis differently when he's not just issuing empty threats?

 

I mean honestly when you boil it down, it’s beyond dumb.
Disney took a position the governor didn’t like. BFD. For that he tried to blow up an agreement thwt had benefitted both sides for 50 years, and would have held zero benefit for the state to do so, other than sending a message about how to tough they were. Disney outsmarted him, so now he’s talking about retributory actions like tolls on the roads leading in, putting prisons up around it, extra inspections on their property and a whole host of other idiotic things that serve no purpose other than to make the governor look tough. The ironic part is that it all makes him look weaker, but he’s too blinded by his DOA presidential ambitions to see it.

 

It involved prejudicial punishment of a business that disagreed with him. Who gives a shit if it involved policy?

I also love how "impossibility" is now the standard for prejudicial treatment by the way. I'll answer that when you answer me any Republican policy that makes it "impossible" for citizens to vote.

 

So if Newsome started gassing Repubs you'd be ok with DeSantis gassing Dems, right?

 

Apparently, they aren't far more than enough to oppose authoritarianism. The incentives for that just aren't there, I guess.

One way of creating a society of less Nazis is to "cancel" anybody who is a Nazi. But "cancel culture" is bad, right?

 

No, I'm demanding examples of actual punishment. Empty words from some empty suits aren't punishment. What policy changes were there? If all DeSantis did was make some vague threats at Disney a year ago followed by inaction, nobody would be talking about it today.

 

Nope ... just pointing out that everyone thinks their personal beliefs are correct, even Nazis, so saying stuff like that is completely meaningless. But since you mentioned it, I see you more like the German people who took direction from the Nazis, defending them instead of standing up to them, anyway. I mean, here you are arguing that this DeSantis Venezuela-like policy of seizing Reedy Creek's property is something you truly believe in... It's almost comical. If you thought about for a moment, you might laugh at yourself, too.