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Don’t do your homework and still get credit????

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Trickster, Apr 13, 2023.

  1. Trickster

    Trickster VIP Member

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    This is like getting a participation trophy for not even showing up. But it’s apparently the school’s policy to award half a trophy. (Slap my head emoji goes her.)
    8th Grade Teacher Defends Herself After Getting Fired For Giving Students Zeros For Not Submitting Homework
    "Bye Kids, Mrs. Tirado loves you and wishes you the best in life! I have been fired for refusing to give you a 50% for not handing anything in. [heart] Mrs. Tirado," she wrote.

    “Despite facing serious repercussions for not adhering to the school's policy, Tirado defended her actions, telling WPTV that she refused to let her students off easy when that's not why they attend school every day.

    "What if they don’t turn anything in? ‘We give them a 50.’ I go, ‘Oh, we don’t.’ I’m so upset because we have a nation of kids that are expecting to get paid and live their life just for showing up and it’s not real,” she told the news outlet.”
     
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  2. oragator1

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    2018?
     
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  3. Trickster

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    Didn’t catch that. I reckon it was okay to fire her back then?
     
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  4. defensewinschampionships

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    Giving homework and more specifically grading homework is a waste of time.

    I only graded quizzes and tests. That way your grade is a true reflection of what you know in class. If you wanted to come to tutoring for remediation, I would give a retake quiz or test, where you could earn a maximum of 70%. Most students never took advantage of that policy.
     
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  5. gatordavisl

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    Probably true on a knowledge level. How do you assess higher order thinking? I'm not referring to measurement, but assessment.
     
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  6. l_boy

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    There was a school policy and apparently she refused to follow it?

    The problem with giving a zero is it mathematically distorts your grade and is difficult to recover from. I can understand the logic of giving a 50.
     
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  7. ridgetop

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    Only if homework is weight the same as a test or quiz or project… and is usually is not.
    I know several schools that have gone to similar grading models.. some where teachers are not even allowed to give grades. It has resulted in schools that promote students who do not have the skills, work ethic, or ability to succeed in higher levels of education.
    But hey
    The kids and their parents feel good about it…
     
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  8. citygator

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    50% for a zero is a reasonable punishment. The idea is that a zero and a 100% average to a 50% while an F and and A average to a C. Basically you’re converting the number to a letter without doing it as a 100% and a 50% is a C 75%.

    Not as controversial as it seems.
     
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  9. 92gator

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    ....bc life spares you harsh consequences, right?

    Behold the irony: harsh consequence for teacher...for seeking to teach her students that life offers up harsh consequences.

    Conversely, the hypocrisy of the school's policy: administer harsh consequences to teacher, for daring to suggest that there may be harsh consequences in life, for one's actions/failings.

    Welcome to the 21st century Americsn Twighlight Zone.
     
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  10. G8tas

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    Thankfully my kids' school is Montessori so there is no homework
     
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  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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    So you’re one of them.
     
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  12. antny1

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    I struggled at UF with math classes because I would do the assignments but might leave a couple of the hardest examples incorrect or unfinished. The tests which were heavily weighted consisted of the most difficult forms of the concepts of each chapter so I bombed them half the time. It was only when I forced myself to learn my homework instead of completing assignments that I overcame math issues.....as much as I am capable of anyway.

    Anecdotal but just my experience. I assume newer more efficient methods are out there now or at least I would hope.
     
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  13. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Man I hate math. Only thing worse than math is a math teacher.
    Only thing worse than a math teacher…
    A libbie math teacher.
     
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  14. WESGATORS

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    I went to a restaurant yesterday. They didn’t provide any of the food I ordered, so I only paid them for half of the meal.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  15. 92gator

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    UF dont play. That is fact!
     
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  16. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Ironically, if you follow my posts, I was served breakfast yesterday from a person who had a large face tattoo. The order was all messed up. Paid full price.
    I love America.
     
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  17. antny1

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    You paid face value for the meal?
     
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  18. BLING

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    It’s dumb. You could just as easily weigh homework less.


    For exmpl if you have 4 exams, you could weigh the 4 exams as 20% each, and the total of all “homework” as the remaining 20% to arrive at 100%. In a math course with daily assignments a zero on just one of many homework assignments would have a negligible impact on the overall grade. Instead of assigning a nonsensical 50%, you could allow students to drop their lowest couple of scores throughout the term. That is quite common, I remember many courses even at UF that would allow you to drop your lowest scores (I recall most math at UF didn’t even bother assigning or grading “homework” at all, it was all about the exams… generous professors might take your highest 4 out of 5 exams, some… not so generous). In grade school, weighing daily homework assignments is actually a way for students to get “easy” points toward their grade. But not if they have tendency to not turn the assignments in!

    Seems bizarre to have a rigid policy of “no zeroes” when there are many ways to account for an occasional missed assignment or off day for a student. But if a student doesn’t do the work at all, I see no reason for that assignment to register as anything but a zero, regardless of whatever the rest of the grading scheme is.
     
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  19. channingcrowderhungry

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    The trick to me passing my math classes at UF was similar. I had to understand the homework concepts, not just complete them. I did this by smoking copious amounts of pot and then mathing.
     
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  20. Orange_and_Bluke

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