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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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  2. AgingGator

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    If only that were true, then yes, you would be correct.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    Another variant ? Varies from what ?

    Pseudoscientific fearmongering.
     
  5. HeyItsMe

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    It is true, though. I don’t know about five times as likely, but from the American Heart Associations own website:

    COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

    This info is also readily available elsewhere and has been for quite some time now. The data doesn’t lie. I feel like this is like being a cancer patient and being worried about the treatment to fight it harming you. Sure, the treatment to fight the cancer could kill you, but you know what’s much more likely to kill you? Cancer. Like with anything, wouldn’t you rather protect yourself and drastically lessen your chances than rolling the dice?
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    Serious note: at church Sunday there were several people wearing masks.

    Mind you, this is people still wearing masks after more than three years of a fictitious pandemic.

    HOWEVER silly as it seems, it is a logical extension of belief in germ theory.

    If germ theory is true - and if masks are effective - what is the basis of ever going without them, I mean, other than fatalism and sheer fatigue ?
     
  8. QGator2414

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    A whistle blower who ran and hid when asked about the accusations. The propaganda has you controlled my friend.
     
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  9. AgingGator

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    Well, as has been admitted by the manufacturers and the government, the vaccine does not prevent infection.

    Second, at what cost are you willing to buy a little bit of protection against something that only “might”?happen that is not that serious and also treatable?

    Sorry but not for me.
     
  10. AgingGator

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    You have one too. You should try using it. But you’ve had your face in Fauci’s lap for three years now and still can’t see clearly. Go ahead and trust that corrupt old fool.
     
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  11. HeyItsMe

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    Of course it doesn’t prevent infection. Like with any vaccine, the main objective is for it to drastically reduce the symptoms you experience if/when you do catch it. This in turn also dramatically reduces the chance of things like myocarditis from catching Covid. Also, the vaccine is incredibly safe, as backed by the data, so you aren’t taking much of a chance of anything by getting it.
     
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  12. mikemcd810

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    The police receive an anonymous tip that the murder weapon is in a red shoebox in the closet at a suspect's home. They search the closet and find a gun in a red shoebox. Just because they can't contact the anonymous tipster again doesn't negate the fact that they found the gun.

    You're focusing on an irrelevant fact. The anonymous whisteblower's claim was found to be true. Given how retaliatory our current state leadership is can you really blame them for wanting to stay anonymous?
     
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  13. l_boy

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    I always figured you to be an evidenced based person. To a modest degree, for a couple of months, the vaccine can prevent infection, and it continues to substantially reduce the odds of serious disease and death longer term. Sure, there are side effects, which are fairly rare, and almost always less severe than the same side effects of the actual disease.

    Is there something about the above that you disagree with?
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    What a terrible attempt of an analogy.

    If you want to prove Ladapo did something wrong. Do so. If you want to file a baseless complaint because you do not like the guidance offered (the correct guidance at that). Then it is far more likely a malicious attempt to silence those you disagree with. Thank goodness we have a Surgeon General who stands up against baseless complaints!
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    Today a customer of mine informed me that she’d been out with Covid. Her symptoms: runny nose and fatigue.

    Her curiosity got the better of her and she tested for it. She tested positive.

    That was pretty much the basis of three years of panic.
     
  16. mikemcd810

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    I'll try to draw you a picture with crayons next time
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    Virologists are kids with crayons.
     
  18. AzCatFan

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    Easy to say, but the truth is, we don't know the whistleblower's identity. His/her position, what they might have to lose, and in today's political climate, what backlash he/she might face should his/her identity ever be revealed. Bottom line, what the whistleblower claimed to be true is 100% true. Lapado omitted evidence to the contrary when he released his guidelines. Guidelines that at the time, were not based on all the available data. And guidelines that look worse against all new data that has come out since the recommendation.

    Any medical treatment is risk/reward, and that includes vaccines. The risk of the vaccine is minimal. The rewards are reduced risk of serious COVID at all ages, and reduced risk of other issues such as myocarditis. Why wouldn't anyone want to reduce their risk of a serious case of COVID?

    Stop attacking the messenger. The message, which is the truth, is what is important. And truth is, Lapado ignored available data when he made a medical recommendation that more data now shows is incorrect. And all data shows reduced risk of serious complications, all ages, when vaccinated.
     
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  19. HeyItsMe

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    Be careful what color crayon you use to illustrate your point. He’ll manage to argue that the red you used is actually blue.
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    Virologists find dead cellular debris under electron microscopes, color them with crayons and call them viruses.