Multiple casualties reported in downtown Louisville shooting

Is this a serious question?

 

Yes.

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Just wanted to add the video below for anyone who wants to actually see what these rounds do to armor plates. The most common 5.56x45 round is M193 which is standard copper over lead full metal jacket. That will be stopped repeatedly by older Level III or more current Level III+ M855 is the older green tip 5.56 ammo with a mild steel penetrator (think designed for windshields, sheet metal, helmets, etc.). M855A1 is a newer military round that is significantly improved but is not commercially available and designed such that it can penetrate an engine block at distance. The other ammo tested here was 7.62x54r 124gr mild steel penetrator ammo which is similar in composition to m855 and 30-06 armor piercing ammo which is high velocity with a hardened steel penetrator

You're not going to have a great day and are going to have significant blunt force trauma getting shot with any of these rounds even when stopped, but the actual AP round is in another envelope in terms of terminal ballistics, while commercially available AR-15 ammo is stopped cold even at close range.

 

There's only been 145 mass shootings (4 or more shot, not counting the shooter) in the US this calendar year (April 10 is day 100.) You're trying to make it sound like it's a big problem or something.

 

You're just proving the point re: Redirection.

 

This study is trotted out repeatedly but it counts 18 and 19 year old adults and excludes 0-1 year olds. Change that in any way, or look at any year outside of 2020 when people weren't driving much of anywhere and schools were shut down, and the results don't hold. Those 18 and 19 year olds weren't dying from "accidental" deaths.

This study is cherrypicking a data set to match a desired conclusion.

 

I have a little background in suicide prevention.
It is very common they leave a note or tell someone before it happens.

 

There have been many what you would call “subtle steps” proposed before simply repealing or modifying the 2nd Amendment but they’re consistently met with 1) no, that infringes on the 2nd Amendment, or 2) slippery slope.

 

So if it is “only” second or even third then it’s ok? It’s still 4000 kids dying every year from guns. As a society we are calling that acceptable, which to me is anything but.

 

Dude…seriously? I can’t even count how many times I’ve seen it written on here that guns are unequivocally not an issue.

 

Must be a Monday...

 

Unnecessary deaths are not OK, but come on man. A crips member dispatching a rival gang member with his glock forty problem solver is significantly different than little Johnny getting a hold of his dad's gun and accidentally shooting his little sister. The latter is what people think of when they hear "guns are the leading cause of death of children", not the former.

 

I haven’t seen a reason for the 0-1 gap but the study clearly points out that there wasn’t a data set they could use for the ages 1-17 so they had to include 18 and 19. That’s not cherry picking but limitations of parsable information. Additionally, I don’t think it’s much of an issue since they’re using the same data across the board.

At the end of the day, is nitpicking the data set really how you want to defend this? As @oragator1 notes, is it suddenly OK if it’s the second leading cause? Does it not matter the trajectories the leading causes of death are on? Vehicular death rates are falling, whether they are still #1 or not, while gun death rates and drug overdose rates are increasing quickly. Seems they should be a focus.

https://static01.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2022-11-27-kids-gun-deaths/cdb59350ce759eda3eb0973922fd6aaf418dff5c/_assets/chart2_deaths-by-cause-330.png

 

Does any conservative want to lay claim to this? If even one feels this way, I'll back off the point.

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I think its semantics on both sides. One may say that 2A is not the issue while still understanding that the gun was literally an issue in a shooting.

I think WES' point is that people understand "guns" are an issue, but they dont think they are the cause.

I think one can think both things.

My 2 cents, Gun culture is certainly part of the issue coupled with mental health and some lax laws.

 

Why don't you take a moment and read my other threads instead of patting yourself on the back. The only point I am trying to get across is the same one Wes was pointing out. You must not be interested.

 

Then that's where the battle ground should be, the idea of completely repealing the 2nd Amendment is the liberal version of a state leaving the union. From where we are today, that just feels like a complete fairy tale.

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Likewise, I have been consistent in my criticism of the psycho analysis distraction pushed by WES. You are correct; I'm not interested in it.

 

I agree it is a fairy tale but I have to ask, how many people actually think the 2nd Amendment is repealable outside some idealistic 15-22 year old? I don’t see repealing the 2nd Amendment as where the line is being drawn but I could be wrong.

 

I think at this point, a maximalist approach is the best strategy, IMO. Gradualism is for losers, and given the nature of congress and the judiciary (and the American system in general), those approaches are ripe for nullification or watering down to ineffectiveness. The 2nd Amendment should be portrayed as something supported by the anti-social, violent fanatics, gun nerd collectors and general weirdos - i.e not normal people.