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Three kids killed by shooter at Christian school

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Mar 27, 2023.

  1. PacificBlueGator

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    Ii would be interesting to have a real number. I don't believe that is currently the case if the firearm deaths are increasing.
     
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  2. rivergator

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    Is there a reason that assault type rifles seem to the be the weapon of choice for people hoping to kill lots of people?
     
  3. sierragator

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    Right? Not seeing these being done with an old school muzzle loader like the founders had.
     
  4. ridgetop

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    Approx 47 percent of adults in America own a gun. That puts the number between 75-150 million gun owners. Legal gun owners. When you throw out gun deaths from
    Illegal gun owners (gangs/drive bus/ etc..) and throw out accidental deaths like hunting accidents it is obvious that the vast majority of legal gun owners are responsible law abiding citizens. Suicide could also be thrown out as that is more a mental issue/depression. Many people who commit suicide are absolutely law abiding citizens that contribute to society
     
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  5. BigCypressGator1981

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    Again the name of the game is mitigation. AR-15 are more efficient killing weapons - hence why they are chosen. We are hoping to put a mere dent in the number of children killed. Same as would be accomplished by fortifying all the doors. It’s not going to save them all but it will save some.
     
  6. gaterzfan

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    The problem with your theory is ……. there are millions of “responsible law-abiding gun owners” who’ve never leveled one of their weapons at another human being, much less a child.

    It’s only a handful of mentally disturbed individuals who’ve done so …… and I suspect few if any could have been characterized as a “responsible law-abiding gun owner”.
     
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  7. ridgetop

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    As a side note
    ️ mm handguns are the most common gun used in mass shootings
    Not AR 15. You just hear about the AR15 more because the news likes a scary looking gun and sensationalizes it. But the common 9mm is used more often
     
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  8. gatordavisl

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    Great, but that's your experience. Sometimes we have to make sacrifices for the greater good. Imagine telling the parents of the children who were shredded to bits by bullets in Uvalde that "it's ok. All the gun owners I know are wonderful."
     
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  9. gaterzfan

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    So Biden tried to be funny in a discussion of this shooting??

     
  10. pkaib01

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    That's why anecdotes as evidence is constitutes such a weak argument.
     
  11. gatordavisl

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    Mostly true I guess, but it's not lost on me that school shootings may be considered anecdotal evidence. The difference has to do with the severity of consequences.
     
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  12. ridgetop

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    Not sure this is the argument you want to make. Policy based on emotion. Do we also get to ask the people who saved their own life or the lives of others with a gun? That number is the larger of the two.
     
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  13. pkaib01

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    It may be simply semantics, but a shooting is empirical evidence. It can be observed and quantified. Anecdotal evidence is based on personal experiences and not always representative of other people's experiences.

    "Words, words, words" -- Hamlet
     
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  14. pkaib01

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    His statement was refuting phat's anecdotal argument by demonstrating its weakness.
     
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  15. PacificBlueGator

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    Thanks, I looked up some stats from Pew research, which indicates about 30% of adults in the US own a gun. Obviously demographic differences, i.e. where people live, gender, etc. The main reason people cite for owning a gun is for protection. 1. The demographics of gun ownership

    Also from Pew, 2020 saw the highest number of gun deaths, but on a per capita basis not changed much over past years. As you note, suicide is the highest cause, followed by murder. Not to be antagonistic, but the highest gun death rates are in red states, and lowest in blue states. What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

    I could not find a percentage of gun owners who comit murder, I'm sure it is available somewhere.

    As others have pointed out though, the US gun deaths per capita far exceed other developed countries, and mass shootings are on the rise. How do we become more like those countries, that have even higher gun ownership than the US?
     
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    Good luck
     
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  17. ATLGATORFAN

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    Just quick point. this woman did not use an ‘ assault rifle’
     
  18. VAg8r1

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    FYI
    Here's what we know about the guns used in the Nashville school shooting | CNN
     
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  20. gaterzfan

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    Regarding the previously mentioned gun death data ….. why should suicide by gun be considered to be a negative statistic? Now, I’m all for “choice” when it comes to a woman or couple deciding to have an abortion …… and if a portion (majority?) of Americans do not see that as a negative, why should a person deciding to end their own live by any means a negative? Both are personal choices …… and control over one’s own body.