Sadly we can talk about this till we’re blue in the face but thanks to the intransigence of gun nutter legislators and a packed red Supreme Court (things really went off the rails with Heller) nothing will be done. Yet another reason we are becoming a shithole nation. I’ll probably be out of here in 7 years or less and it won’t be an issue wherever I go. In the meantime I’ll try not to get murdered by a nutter
The point is that these MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED FROM EVER GETTING THEIR HANDS ON GUNS LEGALLY.
As I brought up before, if this is going to be reality, a lot of the benefits of face-to-face schooling are thrown out the window, the logic becomes doing virtual schooling, which has its drawbacks, but doesn't require massive & expensive retrofitting of schools into impregnable fortresses. Even without guns society was heading this way, but between the experience of a pandemic, guns, it seems pretty clear people will become increasingly isolated as they decide being in public is less worth it unless necessary. Who knows how that impacts people's wellbeing and mental health?
The same cops that need to be defunded? The same cops that are constantly belittle, ridiculed, and insulted on this form? Now we should ask their opinion?
Again We are talking about a percentage of a percentage chance of this happening to you. If you are scared of this then you shouldn’t drive, swim, have a dog, cook in your kitchen, climb a ladder and a number of other things that you are more likely to die from.
Not disagreeing that the overall risk is low, but I have some measure of control over all the things you mentioned but not over whether someone will shoot up Publix while I'm there. I get that the position of many people is that the relative number of deaths is low, even if much higher than in other countries, and the occasional mall or school shooting is just the cost of having guns. To me, that's crazy but I get the argument. The biggest problem in my eyes is that all the power to change this lies on the pro-gun side of things and I just don't see much motivation to make any change at all. That being the case, I guess this is just the reality we have to deal with unless prevailing opinion shifts.
I think people are not looking at it as what will happen to them, but their kids or other loved ones that have to be in certain places like schools, which isn't really a choice for the most part. Go ahead and tell them their fears are unjustified and unreasonable, doesn't seem to work for other things.
Is a robbery at a 7-11 a 7-11 problem to solve? Is an assault at a shopping mall a shopping mall problem to take care of? A home invasion the problem the problem for the home owner? Of course not. They can institute some measures to help, but why is a school shooting the problem of the school to solve? At what point in your mind do the actions of criminals become a law enforcement problem?
But isn’t this the very same argument that origin CCW users make? They carry so that they won’t be helpless in the event something MIGHT happen. And isn’t the opposite side of the coin the same argument used against them.. that they live in fear of something that will never ghappen. It’s just their fantasy land wet dreams.. all things I’ve seen in this very board. And many many of us pro gun owners on this page have made suggestion after suggestion on how to help curb those shootings. The very people that know guns the best have offered several solutions and what we get thrown back in our face time and again is It isn’t enough. I it’s not full scale confiscation.. it is t enough. And that’s why there is push back. There will never be a way to safe guard our children from crazy who want to do harm. Guns are always out there. Running over them in a parade with an SUV, pipe bombs, hand guns, shotguns.. we know that there is nothing short of taking everything that will stop these people.
Its terrorism. That's how it works. We fought two foreign wars over 9/11 (2,996 deaths) largely justified by the American public due to unreasonable fear of foreign terrorists. Driving a car to work poses a much greater risk to americans than Al Queda. Doesn't matter. People were scared. And now people ARE scared. And it keeps happening with greater frequency and severity.
So we collectively shrug, throw up our hands and trot out those increasingly vapid statements about thoughts and prayers. Pretty safe bet this same thread will occur in the coming weeks, only it will be a different location than that school in Nashville. Good times.
I agree it’s not an either/or proposition, but the NRA is an advocacy group. They’re just doing their job. People shouldn’t just take what they say at face value, it all needs to be taken in the context of their role.
But its true that it isn't enough, you're saying so yourself. They aren't saying anything that is unfounded or inaccurate. Ultimately though who cares what anyone says, including gun owners, nothing is going to happen. You are acting like we are going to solve the problem through reasonable dialogue or something. Even if we wanted to address the problem, the political system has foreclosed basically anything beyond the superficial. We arent making schools into fortresses anymore than we will be doing gun buybacks or whatever.
Again (and again and again), can you share with us the difference between transgendered, non-binary and homosexual? If you don't know, it may require you to... gasp... educate yourself. After doing so, I fully expect you to take down the erroneous hate meme you posted earlier. Thank you in advance.
