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Three kids killed by shooter at Christian school

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Mar 27, 2023.

  1. helix

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    ARs can be very easily assembled with common hand tools. They were designed that way so as to be serviceable by grunts in the field. They are pretty dummy proof. If you get the print right using available designs, your lower is just housing your trigger and safety group, pistol grip, bolt catch, and magazine release. The bolt carrier group, barrel, charging handle, and gas system are all in the upper and those can be purchased already assembled.
     
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  2. Sohogator

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    They can rent all they want at shooting range and fire till their wallet is maxed out. Problem SOLved!
     
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    Let's say for a second that it IS because we have the most guns, unless you have an answer to getting most of these guns off the streets, it doesn't help comparing us to other nations and it doesn't help saying we need to "do something" without looking two steps ahead, and without considering the consequences of our policy choices.

    Yes, we should do something about it. Yes, this shouldn't be the new normal.

    Saying those things haven't even scratched the surface of actually solving the problem, and I would argue the same about an assault weapons ban.
     
  4. l_boy

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    Not all but many of these incidents involve newly purchased or procured guns.
     
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  5. helix

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    If you did that, you’d have a lot more people reloading and casting their own bullets, and likely making out cheaper over the long run. Where there is a will, there is a way.
     
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  6. GatorBen

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    How do you “rent” ammo? It’s the very definition of a single-use item.

    Also I think you’d probably run into the issue that it has a disproportionate impact on rural people - organized shooting ranges tend to be a thing only around more heavily populated areas. For much of the country, their “shooting range” is undeveloped property.

    (I’ll also note that you’re vastly underestimating how much ammo a person reasonably needs. I take well over 25 rounds of ammo with me anytime I’m shooting. Even if we’re going with the “no one needs more than a shotgun” theory of gun ownership, I take more than one box of shells with me anytime I go bird hunting, and no one is going out to shoot a single round of skeet/trap.)
     
  7. Sohogator

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    It’s the ammo that matters. The vast vast majority of people are not reloaders. If they become one find them and prosecute them. But your side doesn’t want to get anything done. Cause FREEDUMB!
     
  8. l_boy

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  9. Sohogator

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    you rent in the sense you can’t take it with you. As the saying goes, If it flys, floats, f…. or shoots rent it;)

    as for the rural folks life ain’t fair. There isn’t a symphony in Macon, GA
     
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  10. Gator715

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    That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is if that line of purchasing a gun is closed, would that stop the shooter from purchasing or finding a gun elsewhere.
     
  11. gatordavisl

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  12. littlebluelw

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    We already do. Hence their success in doing so.
     
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  13. GatorBen

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    For the other perspective: California’s gun laws aren’t designed to do anything other than make it near impossible to own a gun while complying with the law.

    Their “roster” of approved guns is particularly problematic (and almost certainly facially unconstitutional whenever the Supreme Court bothers to take it up) because it’s basically impossible for most new models of guns to be approved for sale in California because they require the gun to apply a “technology” that effectively doesn’t exist (requiring the firing pin of a gun to micro-imprint a serial number on the primer of a fired shell, which is a proprietary technology of one manufacturer and doesn’t reliably work in the first place).
     
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  14. l_boy

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    We can create AI but can’t figure this out. Amazing.
     
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  15. helix

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    no, we just don’t like ineffective broad brush policy
     
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  16. GatorBen

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    Trying to engrave the serial number of a gun on the tip of a piece of metal that is 0.06” in diameter, in a way where it will reliably imprint in a legible way in a system running with 35,000 PSI of pressure, is essentially a made up concept.
     
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  18. l_boy

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    In some cases it will, in others it won’t.
     
  19. gatordavisl

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    Then again, maybe it's why she only killed six, instead of 20+.
     
  20. l_boy

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    Plenty of people own guns in CA. Not as much as other states.

    The point is they have laws that work. If there is any particular law that is problematic and impractical then address it.
     
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