meanwhile there is you who is just “anything but guns bad” when they are the only clear common denominator in all these tragedies.
(1) To identify vulnerabilities in the system. Where was this individual failed as a child...or...perhaps, were there zero indications of a problem from 0-18? Did something happen between 18 and 28 that led to a significant change in behavior. The school was a targeted attack, this means it wasn't random. How does that not inspire the question of "why?" The vulnerabilities being identified can lead to better parenting, better school administration, better general mental healthcare (all potentially, depending on what shows up as a factor), and possibly other ways to do things better or ways to identify legitimate red flags. (in addition to...) (2) To be clear, I think "how" the firearms entered the expression is absolutely relevant. It's not what I have focused on here because I feel like the information on how the guns were obtained always seems to come to light. We never seem to get a true deep dive of the individuals behind the actions. I also feel like there are people who are advocating for greater restrictions on accessing guns. I don't feel like anybody on that same side is actively advocating for a better understanding of the mine. So many people are hell bent on this topic to only push for one direction; maybe there's another direction that warrants consideration *in addition to* access. Go GATORS! ,WESGATORS
armed with 2 assault weapons and pistol with lots of ammo. “weapons used appears to be a KelTec SUB2000 Carbine Rifle, a foldable semi-automatic weapon that the manufacturer describes as "fun to shoot." What we know about the guns used in Nashville school shooting
This part is disturbing: Patton said she called the Nashville Davidson County Sheriff's Office at 10:13 a.m. to make them aware of the situation and was instructed to call Nashville's non-emergency number. "I called Nashville's non-emergency line at 10:14 a.m. and was on hold for nearly seven minutes before speaking with someone who said that they would send an officer to my home. An officer did not come to my home until 3:29 p.m.," Patton said. Patton said she wanted to come forward about this circumstance because she believed more urgency should have happened when she reached out to officials for help.
We already know the vulnerability in the system. Any mentally ill person can walk into a gun shop, provided they don’t have a felony record, and have a mass murder arsenal within a few days. There, I just spared you this inane data mining. What’s bizarre to me is you seem to be against more stringent background checks and permitting, an obvious gatekeeping opportunity, but think this same govt should be “mining data” to predict where these incidents will occur? Like… you think there’s some Minority Report (sci-fi) opportunity? The reason most people who oppose govt background checks are against them is that they oppose “govt databases” and lists. I’m all for studies to try to explain the psychology of these people, but if people can’t even get on board with more stringent mental competency background checks, it’s all quite fruitless.
Am still waiting for the whole " good guys with guns" effect to take place. We were assured that with millions of guns in the hands of millions of good guys, that we'd be safer. I think we're at 1.25 guns per person, is it when each person has a gun for both hands? Just wondering.
No one seems to talk about one of the 'vulnerabilities' of the system is that there isn't really a system people can access for mental health services (or any health service really) that doesn't cost an enormous amount of money or have other barriers in place.
In the US this is probably a more realistic solution than my ideal of reducing the gun population to weapons that hunters typically use (bolt action, shotguns, etc).
They dropped the ball, but that seems to be a common thread to almost any mass shooter. In many cases the parents are crazy themselves, to allow their troubled youth easy access to their guns. In this case, sounds like the authorities dropped the ball where there was an obvious opportunity at intervention. The unfortunate reality is they probably see these sort of issues more than we realize, and the vast majority are hoaxes or don’t follow through. But the police at this point must take them all seriously. Unfortunately they may be ill equipped (resource wise) to actually cover every case. Several recent shooters were “on the radar” of school administrators or authorities, but the reality is they are limited as to what they can do.
I'm thinking we could install gunboxes in elementary schools so if anyone needs one they have quick access to one. Maybe sprinkle a few in the bushes near the playground. Teacher's desk drawer etc.
Right, that's one. Are there any others? Some people are so tunnel-visioned on this, they only see one path towards improvement. And then some of the same folks complain about "nothing being done." Have these people ever considered there's more than one approach that might be able to help here? What's bizarre is that you formulated this opinion about me without any supporting facts. I have no problem with more stringent background checks. Would that have helped in this situation since she didn't have a criminal history? I have no idea...just asking. But I'm not opposed to added restrictions on obtaining guns. Not sure why you and others have ever suggested that about my view. Cute, but I'm not suggesting arresting anybody before they've committed a crime. At best, we may be able to identify people that need more support than they are currently getting. We may be able to identify better ways to teach people how to be parents. There are numerous possibilities, but if your down side amounts to a hyperbolic view of what I'm suggesting, then I don't think you're being fair to the discussion. I don't believe so. It's potentially an extra tool that makes it more difficult for somebody to connect the dots between desire and destruction. Go GATORS! ,WESGATORS
nobody is saying they don’t matter. We are saying that the root causes are very different. Want to address gang violence? Stop the war on drugs and address poverty and the family unit so that young men aren’t getting their accountability from the streets. Want to address domestic issues? Start addressing the risk factors (drugs, poverty, etc that create dependence). Want to stop school shootings? Create secure campuses with hardened access points and actually respond with urgency when inviduals express a desire to harm themselves or others or display other signs that they are mentally/emotionally not well, as shooting up a school or other public place is not the behavior of someone who is thinking or acting rationally and healthily.
This isnt even accurate, but that's never stopped the worst people on earth blaming people they hate instead of the gun culture they foment
I’ll be somewhat interested in what forensics says was the gun that was actually shot. Nashville police released surveillance footage yesterday, and the SUB2000 appears to be the gun she’s actually carrying in ready position in all of the released surveillance footage. The SUB2000 is a bit of an unusual choice for a mass shooter compared to what you usually see. It’s a pistol caliber carbine that’s essentially a really big, cheap 9mm pistol with a 16 inch barrel and a stock added. It’s big selling points are: 1) it takes Glock magazines; and 2) it’s got an unusual folding mechanism where it basically breaks in half and you can fold the barrel backwards over the action.
