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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. gator95

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    They had 1 child that had a severe heart defect who might've died from covid. Healthy kids had zero reason to take a vaccine that wasn't tested properly. Adults should've taken the vaccine, healthy kids shouldn't have.
     
  2. mikemcd810

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    I'm not saying kids had a high risk of death, I'm just pointing out that the study doesn't show that - it's strictly looking at reinfections. Dead people can't get infected again to be included in a study on reinfections.
     
  3. QGator2414

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    Healthy young adults also did not need to take the shot. High risk adults that did not have Covid should have taken it at the time. Starting to even question that now…
     
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  4. GatorJMDZ

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    Get vaccinated/boosted, wear a mask when appropriate.
    Contact Q for dental floss.
     
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  5. gator95

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    It did show how many kids died. It's right in there. Flu kills many more kids than covid ever did. I'm just happy I didn't fall for the BS from the cdc saying to vaccinate your kids.
     
  6. BigCypressGator1981

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    Because then your kid would have gotten a shot! The horror!
     
  7. duggers_dad

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    The shots appear to be the reason for staggering excess deaths across the world.
     
  8. gator95

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    Exactly. My son would've been at a much higher risk for myocarditis. So yes thank you for your concern.
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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  10. QGator2414

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    We do have dental floss if you want to be a patient. You are welcome to wear a mask if you wish. Certainly not required to. And you will need to remove it when you are in the chair in order to receive care. But you are certainly welcome to virtue signal in our office or if you are still confused by the propaganda we will treat you the same as those who understand how stupid it is to wear a mask out in public (please spare the rare situation like before Covid where someone wears an N95 due to health issues excuse).

    And you certainly do not need to take a shot at this point and time. But that is up to you if you want to. Clearly most see reality and are not taking the shot anymore. The bivalent booster has failed to entice people to take it. But if you want it. Go for it.
     
  11. AzCatFan

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    This is incorrect. The risk of getting myocarditis from infection is higher than getting it from COVID itself. And the severity of the case from infection is also more likely to be severe, as there have been multiple cases of MIS-C from infection, which is a severe case, versus only one, documented MIS-C pediatric case from the vaccine. And kids with MIS-C are much more likely to be hospitalized than those with just myocarditis, which is often mild, and goes away on its own without any intervention other than observation.
     
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  12. mikemcd810

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    If the next pandemic is significantly more deadly we should name it "Darwin" because it's going to wipe out a whole bunch of amateur disease experts.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    I’m an outright virus denier. How did the “pandemic of the century” not kill me ?
     
  14. duggers_dad

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    The Real Darwinism ...

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  15. gator95

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    Charlatan's lying again about myocarditis. The data has been posted ad nauseum showing boys are at much higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than from covid itself. Don't listen to the grifters on here. They have been wrong about everything regarding covid and show zero remorse for it.
     
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  16. mikemcd810

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    Go ahead and flip that word of the day calendar to January 3rd. You've gotten enough mileage out of "charlatan" and "grifter"
     
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  17. gator95

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    Well, when someone won't stop pushing a vaccine for healthy kids I don't know what else to call them. I guess I could use idiot but that might get me banned. If you want to follow the advice from someone who was for lockdowns, school closures, forced masking, against natural immunity and vaxxing kids, then be my guest. Some people will believe anything I guess.
     
  18. AzCatFan

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    Aren't you tired of being wrong. The title of this article is, "
    Myocarditis risk significantly higher after COVID-19 infection vs. after a COVID-19 vaccine"

    Don't like that one? Try this one.

    A CDC report from 1 April 2022 found that the risk of heart complications was higher after COVID-19 infection compared to mRNA COVID-19 vaccination[5]. The report analyzed electronic health records of over 15 million persons from 40 U.S. health care systems during 1 January 2021 and 31 January 2022, comparing the risk for cardiac complications, including myocarditis and pericarditis (an inflammation of the tissue that surrounds the heart called the pericardium), following COVID-19 infection and mRNA COVID-19 vaccination. Specifically, the CDC report found that the risk of heart complications was two to six times higher after infection compared to vaccination among teen boys (ages 12 to 17 years) and seven to eight times higher among young men (ages 18 to 29 years).

    Not only do COVID-19 vaccines carry a lower risk of myocarditis compared to COVID-19 itself, the ensuing myocarditis is not as severe. Post-vaccine myocarditis is typically mild and carries a lower risk of cardiac complications compared to myocarditis that results from COVID-19. As mentioned earlier, myocarditis cases vary from mild to severe, but in the rare instances of post-vaccine myocarditis, there has been less variability in terms of severity, as most cases are mild. As Matthew Elias, a cardiologist at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia’s (CHOP) Cardiac Center explained: “Overall, this does not seem to be happening in post-vaccine myocarditis. In the patients seen at CHOP and at other hospitals, symptoms are generally mild and self-resolving, and heart function is less affected, if affected at all.”

    Because COVID-19 disease carries a higher risk of myocarditis than the COVID-19 vaccines, the vaccines have a favorable risk ratio, meaning they’re more likely to decrease the risk of post-COVID-19 myocarditis[3]. In an article for Nature Reviews Cardiology, Stephane Heymans, a cardiologist at Maastricht University, and Leslie T. Cooper, a cardiologist at the Mayo Clinic in Florida, summarized the overall takeaway from studies so far:

    “…With COVID-19 vaccination, the risk of myocardial injury and myocarditis decreases 1,000-fold in the general population, with a minor 1–5-fold increased risk of mild myocarditis in young adults. Therefore, COVID-19 vaccination has an extremely favourable risk ratio for myocarditis and should be recommended in adolescent and adult populations”[3].
    The only one "study" that showed greater risk from vaccination is from an anti-vax group that misused VAERS data. And once again, VAERS is open source, does not verify, and is never completely accurate. The real studies show the risk of myocarditis from infection is higher than vaccination. And the risk from infection for severe cases is significantly higher, as the risk of severe cases from vaccination is almost zero.
     
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  19. gator95

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    Charlatan's gonna charlatan.


    SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Children Ages 12-17: A Stratified National Database Analysis


    Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence. Further research into the severity and long-term sequelae of post-vaccination CAE is warranted. Quantification of the benefits of the second vaccination dose and vaccination in addition to natural immunity in this demographic may be indicated to minimize harm.
     
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  20. BigCypressGator1981

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    Yawn. It’s still a negligible risk of getting myocarditis. You put your son at a greater risk the last time you drove him somewhere. You can argue that the benefit is not worth it for young men but the vaccine doesn’t pose any real risk. Amazing how you can’t let this go.