Whatever you think of the Supreme Court decisions juidicial rationale for coming up with the standard, it has been widely supported and is a fairly logical cutoff - viability. I’d still argue it is the most logical cutoff. I wouldn’t oppose it. The fact is post viability abortions are relatively rare, especially late term abortions, and practically all of those are due to specific medical reasons relating to the viability of the fetus and health of the mother. So I’m fairly flexible on this issue. I can live with 15 weeks until after viability, given the reality that post viability abortions are fairly uncommon and typically extenuating circumstances.
Houston Tallahassee, we have a problem. Unbeknownst to a huge segment of the male population, apparently every time a man masturbates he gives birth to spiritual children. I, for one, certainly wish someone had made that announcement earlier. This creates all sorts of issues. Is there a spiritual fetal heartbeat? If not, will some Rightie invent one? Are men going to be under the same 6 week rule as women? Pregnancy can't exactly be calculated as starting the first day of the last menstrual period for guys, so how is that going to work? What if I was forced into self-pleasuring, will there be exceptions? Are the Righties going to pay for spiritual baby adoption agencies and spiritual food stamps? This is all very disconcerting.
Well guess what? Roe is now bad law. And you are not some ultimate authority as to what constitutes "the most logical cutoff." So pick dude. What are you in favor of? Are you fine with abortion until point of birth being legal simply because it would be a rare occurrence? If that's the case, you don't agree with the Roe framework, you're just willing to compromise at the Roe framework for some arbitrary reason.
Well I avoid that problem since I don’t think any of this is governments business. See that is what real conservatives think. I don’t think being an atheist makes me holier than thou. It just makes my morality more consistent and not based on a fairy tale.
As a conservative, how can you believe in small government as a concept and also hold the belief that unless something is criminalized, people will do it? Like you think that unless you "draw a line" on abortion to where it is a criminal act, people will just be having abortions right before birth and doctors will be like "sure" if someone asks for one? There is no law against having your appendix removed, but I'm pretty certain I cant demand a doctor remove my appendix without a medical reason. Even in the context where I am "guaranteed" healthcare, you cant just get anything you want, on demand.
You don’t get it do you? It’s not abortion until point of birth, it’s that a woman’s medical decisions are none of my business. She and her medical providers make that decision, not you and me. This is a truly conservative position. I was a libertarian until the anti abortion wackos split the movement. The Republican Party now is a strange amalgamation between the people who want lower taxes and people who think that what other people do is their business. How people can’t see that they are on the side of evil here just baffles me.
You support a woman terminating her pregnancy a day before her due date just because but feel the need to just call it a “medical decision.” You’re resorting to euphemisms because deep down you know there’s something wrong with that.
Aside from the perfectly sound freedom of choice and medical privacy reasoning for the govt not to be involved in abortions. There is another obvious argument. Prohibition never works! Criminalizing something most people have no real issue with in the first place is doomed to failure. But zealots cannot be logically reasoned with, so of course they throw out the “rational framework” 50 year precedent of Roe and move directly to heartbeat bills and even banning the morning after pill.
Don’t presume to know what I think. I don’t think you would like what I presume you are and you missed the point. Big surprise there. I trust the individual more than the government. I am not a big government liberal like you are.
You know damn well this is a lie, if all you can do is lie and put words in his mouth (strawman), you simply aren’t engaging in honest debate.
He said he’s not a “forced birther” because it’s not any of the government’s business. I ask him if he supports abortion until point of birth. He basically says “I’m not telling you.” Either he supports abortion until point of birth, he was lying that he thinks it’s never the government’s business, or he’s a “forced birther.” Take your pick.
Nobody is for abortion “a day before birth”. Roe did not mandate any state allow abortion “a day before birth”, nor would any legitimate practician do such a thing. It’s a vapid argument.
