S Carolina Rep Proposes Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions

Like I said it’s stupid.

 

So you’re guessing that 10% of pubs nationally would support it?
Anything other than your gut give you that number?

 

Exactly. That min sentence is crazy even if no woman is put to death, it would also open the possibilities of the death sentence.

But let’s argue over minutia as to whether “putting death penalty on the table” is the same thing as it being mandatory death penalty.

 

Seriously?
That’s a pretty racially charged accusation.
Your crystal ball tell you that?

 

An understanding of history informed him of that. Actually forget history, one can look at the present day criminal Justice system.

 

You left some language out.

Punishment for murder; separate sentencing proceeding when death penalty sought. (A) A person who is convicted of or pleads guilty to murder must be punished by death, or by a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment for thirty years to life.

While I agree that this proposed legislation is obviously horrible, I believe @phatGator has a valid point. The title of the article is sensationalized to bring about a reaction and some of the posts in this thread illustrate that point. In fact, the tribal nature of Too Hot is evident in this thread. I probably don't agree often with @phatGator on political issues, but the dude has always been a good-natured poster; never insults people. And yet, for his daring to speak out against a sensationalized piece of media, his reading ability was insulted and he received several ill-mannered rebuttals. Some of my friends on the left could do with a bit of healthy reflection.

 

Yes, abortions could be punishable by death if this were made law.

 

It's somewhere between 30 years in prison and the electric chair/firing squad. Sorry, "stupid" just doesn't quite cut it.

 

So you bold the mandatory minimum, ignore the sentence prior that mentions death penalty, then say it’s “sensational and misleading” for journalists to lead with death penalty!!!??? Like writing “mandatory minimum of 30, but could be death” is fundamentally different for the proposed bill?

This might be one of the most bizarre arguments I’ve witnessed on TooHot, and that’s saying something.

 

Yes.

There is nothing inaccurate about the title...the availability of the death penalty has most definitely been proposed. They certainly didn't rule it out.

 

Learned observation 10% is kind. The operative phrase is soulless ghouls.

 

Ironic. You failed to note the editorialization of the piece you quoted, yet jumped at the chance to take a swipe at another poster's reading skills.

 

Honestly I think 10% is too low.

20% of all Americans think abortion should be illegal in all cases. That probably translates to around 40% of Republicans. If 1/4 of that group viewed it as the same as murder there’s your 10%.

If 10% of republicans support it, then I think 20% of Republican politicians support it, because that is where the energy is.

 

You included key words as a matter of qualifying your response. IOW - not so easy to just say "yes," as it would not be true.

 

Look ... if someone said "Murder is punishable by death penalty in South Carolina", would you have a problem with that? Say it's untrue? Of course not. This law classifies "abortion" as "homicide" and says it's subject to the same punishment. Yes, it's true that not all murders are given the death penalty, but some are, and making woman who have abortions subject to the same laws is the entire point of this. This seems very easy to understand.

 

IMHO it’s still accurate but I see your point. It probably could read “S Carolina Rep Proposes punishments that may include the Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions”

 

No I didn't ignore it. I bolded the portion that the poster left out, presumably with reason. The title is misleading.

 

Did you consider Florida's 10-20-Life statute as "proposing" a life sentence for certain specified firearm offenses, yes or no?

 

More qualification. Can a person in SC be convicted of murder w/o the death penalty being sought? (Obvious answer is yes). As to the original question, one could just as easily claim "No. A person convicted of murder in SC may be found guilty w/o the potential imposition of the death penalty. In fact, very few guilty convictions in SC involve prosecutors seeking the death penalty."