Florida woman forced to give birth to a baby that will die immediately

You're wrong again. Many parts of the Bible (the ones that address the topic the most directly) treat involuntary termination of a fetus as interference with chattel (property) rights, not murder. Abortion was well known in biblical times, but at no point does the Bible specifically prohibit them. The Ten Commandments are pretty damn clear, no reason there couldn't have been number 11 if that was the intent. Your interpretation of ambiguous passages, none of which say what you want them to say, is simply wrong. As I said before, my Christian faith does not believe the government has any place interfering with a woman's right to chose. Objectively speaking, my interpretation is superior to yours and my church is objectively better than yours. You are medically incorrect, scientifically incorrect, legally incorrect and your interpretations are flawed. Keep your Nazi and KKK red herring references to yourself, they have nothing to do with the issue and reek of desperation of in your failed attempts to make a point.

I still have no intention of trying to force anyone in your family into having an abortion against HER will, but I will continue to donate to Planned Parenthood () and assist friends in need of those services financially and/or with transportation if/when their needs arise.

 

At 4 weeks the embryo is the size of a poppy seed, 0.04" long. It does not even look like a tadpole yet.

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Another example of teens having children out of wedlock. I have no idea whether they had comprehensive sex education or access to contraception although based on the family background of the teen age father my guess is that the answer is in the negative. Their school either didn't provide comprehensive sex education or more likely the parents of the 17-year old father and probably also the teen-age mother elected to opt out.
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The pride is thick with this response. The devil is the father of pride, and it tells you where this post came from. In the garden the serpent whispered that they could eat the fruit and that they surely wouldn't die. And the devil, in his malice, capitalized on man's pride. And he still whispers lies, "Oh, the passages are ambiguous. They don't really mean that. You deserve this. You have the right to choose whatever you want. Go ahead and do it. You surely won't die. You surely won't be judged." In his malice, the devil knows the judgment of God upon sin, and this is why he whispers these lies. The devil wants you to be punished like him. I hope you escape his malicious schemes. And if you never do, the day you are judged, you won't be able to complain that someone did not warn you.

It has nothing to do with churches. This has to do with God, the authority of His word, and the whispers of the devil. Are you going to choose to listen to God and His word or will you listen to the devil? Will you choose life by repentance and faith, or will you choose death by rebellion and the hardening of your heart? That is the only question.

 

The irony of a person who tells everybody else that only his interpretation of the bible is correct calling out others for the sin of pride, for claiming to have a better interpretation than you.

 

You can use the word "pride", but sticking your heels in and standing firm on the solid ground of God's word is not pride. If you know something is true, and you misrepresent a certain truth as uncertain then you have broken the 10 commandments and you have given false testimony about God and His revelation to man. So, the path of obedience for the Christian is standing on the solid ground of certain truth regardless of how much mocking, ridicule, or accusations come from the world for doing that. Casting doubt on God's word as if it is uncertain or unclear, is what the devil did, and it is what those who follow him do. And the devil did so because he was prideful, rebellious, and full of malice towards men. Yes, there are difficult things to understand, but difficulty and uncertainty are two different things. And often those who say it is uncertain go on to proclaim their own law, and this was the motive the whole time: it is about dethroning God as the authority so they freely live according to whatever alternative philosophy or ideology they have chosen to exalt over and above the Word of God. So, they rage against God. And that leads nowhere but eternal destruction. A person who is loving will not mince words or misrepresent the truth in these matters.

 

Yeah, it isn't pride because you actually know everything well enough to declare your viewpoint the unmitigated truth. But if other people do the same, it is pride. And if you are able to recognize that any one person might not have a perfect knowledge of all of this, then that is the devil. It creates a nice defense mechanism to maintain that pride.

 

Yeah dude but he KNOWS he’s right. Lol

 

I don't know everything, but of the things I am certain of, I lie and bear false witness against the truth if I downplay the clarity or the certainty of the truth that I do know. You see you will without a doubt characterize this as plank's word vs. your word. It is a rationalization..."well God really didn't say that. That is just plank's opinion." But that has been the tactic since the beginning. "God did not really say that." That has always been the modus operandi of the devil. He basically told Eve, "Well Adam said that. God didn't really say that." And that is the exact same playbook being used here. That isn't the nature of the debate, though. This isn't plank vs. md. See, I have God and his word on my right saying one thing. And I have md, JMDZ, and others on my left saying another. That is the nature of the conflict, and I am siding with God rather than men.

To go up against God to oppose Him because I think I know better than Him amounts to hubris. What you are requiring of me, to be seen as humble in your eyes, is to commit hubris against the Almighty God. Your humility is not humility, and your pride is not pride. You have exchanged the two concepts, and you have swapped them. You have redefined the terms in an idolatrous framework that does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord over all.

I think I understand the nature of this swap. You see a worshiper of Baal might have accused someone of pride who would not bow the knee to Baal in obedience. A worshiper of Allah might accuse someone of pride who will not bow the knee to Allah in obedience. A worshiper of Zeus might have accused someone of pride who did not bow the knee to Zeus. A worshiper of Athena might have accused someone of pride who did not bow the knee to Athena. So, in the Greco-Roman world this practice of everyone worshiping one another's gods was seen as humility towards others. This is what you are after. You want your god and your ideology to have an equal seat at the table with the Almighty God. That is not happening because God is the only God. There is no other God other than God. The Greco-Roman world 2 millennia ago, and even the 21st century western world now, had a huge problem with Christianity because Christianity denies other gods an equal seat at the table. In Christianity there is only one God and one Lord, and He alone must be worshiped in spirit and in truth.

So, a worshiper of progressive leftist social and moral ideology also accuses someone of pride who does not bow to his god and his lord that he has made in his own image. So, these accusations of pride are really a clash of deities. It is Christianity vs. paganism. It is the true worship of the true God vs. the progressive secular humanistic rebellion against the true God. You see there has always been friction between Christianity and the world because God has said, "You shall have no other Gods before me." The God of the Bible is supreme over every other god, every other ideology, and every other philosophy. No man can exalt a religion, a philosophy, or an ideology against God without bringing eternal peril upon himself. God is alone as the authority in the universe, and this is not a tyrannical authority. God is the only perfect moral being who rules His creation according to His moral purity. Eternal blessing and eternal prosperity follow those who love and obey Him. When it is said that "Jesus is Lord" this is what we mean.

So, how do I react to the accusation that I am also guilty of pride? It is certainly possible that I am guilty of pride and maybe even probable, but not because of the reasons you are outlining. It would have to be something in the biblical framework such as confidence in the flesh, which I am not immune to such temptations.

My mind also goes to Psalm 2, and I think about how God laughs at those who oppose and rage against Him. Rebellion against God is futile. I could be convicted of pride in the courts of idols because I don't recognize the idol as an authentic deity and don't question God's word like the idol does. Being convicted of transgressing law codes in pagan courts doesn't amount to anything. It is meaningless because pagan gods, pagan philosophies, and pagan ideologies will all be destroyed because they exalt themselves against God.

 

There are those that really deeply study their faith, and they study it from all angles. They have periods in their life they are skeptical and they challenge their faith. You may include Catholics like Jesuits. Or Mother Teresa. To a degree I’d include a guy like David French. They have faith, but they are humble in their beliefs and know that they don’t know everything. Life is a search for the truth.

Then there are fundamentalists, like you, some Christian fundamentalists, and Muslim fundamentalists. You come to hard conclusions, and then believe over everything else that your truth is THE truth and think that is the only truth that should apply to everybody.

 

I agree that people should really study, examine, and pursue truth, but where you and I depart is the end goal of that pursuit. If you spent your entire life studying, examining, and pursuing truth but you never find the truth, then you really have wasted your life pursuing something that you failed to attain.

That is why I believe philosophy is one of the vainest things I have ever studied. You have people who profess to know nothing, and they are puffed up about knowing nothing. And they believe this state they have arrived at, knowing nothing, is some great accomplishment. That is vanity.

Christianity is the opposite of philosophy. You spend your entire life trying to lay hold of the truth through human intellect, human wisdom, philosophical inquiry, and other human works, but then you find the truth you have always been searching for in Christ, not of your own effort, wisdom, or intellect, but of the grace of God by the simplicity of faith.

Eventually, we are supposed to arrive at and attain a knowledge of the truth. The person who lays hold of that truth by grace through faith has attained a knowledge of the truth. The person who has not, but has been searching their entire life has not attained a knowledge of the truth. I fail to see how the latter is better than the former. The key to attaining a knowledge of the truth is laying hold of Christ. Until a person finds Christ by grace through faith, they will never ultimately find the truth.

 

I have shared this before. Paul Washer hits the nail on the head regarding the Western attitude towards Christianity. Your comments echo the very thing he is addressing in this video.

 

Claiming that you speak for God is the height of pride. It blinds you to the fact that maybe you don't always. And maybe some of us are God speaking to you or others in ways you don't recognize. But that is complicated and hard, so your explanation is preferred to you. The psychological basis of fundamentalism is often the need to eliminate the complex for the simple. The problem is, complexity is at the core of the world. So it ends up with a person thinking they are acting in God's interest when they are really acting in their own interest in eliminating the grey in favor of the black and white.

You have superseded actual God in pursuit of your pride. In fact, this entire paragraph is an exercise in projection.

I simply have the humility to not claim that I understand God in full. That is the gap here. You have so much pride that you need to feel you speak for him.

You think you speak for God, understand him in full, and that anybody who doesn't understand him in the exact way you do is wrong. That is pride, no matter how much you want to justify it. It is the notion that you even have the basic capacity to understand him.

And BTW, I am not a "pagan." I am a Christian. But not in your mind because you think you get to decide who is and isn't. Because your pride tells you that you do.

 

That is the arrogance of his position, that his interpretation controls, despite the fact that his interpretations are often at odds with those of other well established and respected Christian faiths. It is insulting to those faiths to suggest that he, of all people, understands the Bible better than they do.

What he suggests is "raging against God" is push back against his questionable interpretations and his refusal to even allow that his might be incorrect. No one is angry with God, just this self- anointed "spokesman."

At least he's not suggesting bombing other Christian churches as he was Kaaba in Masjid al-Haram, Mecca several years ago.

 

We can’t expect grown children who can’t define the word woman to understand biology.

 

Not going to respond much further here as I think I have answered most of this. However, I have a couple of points to wrap this up.

1. I am claiming that God has spoken clearly in His word, not that I am speaking God's words. The idea that God has spoken and He has spoken clearly is not pride or arrogance. That is historic Christianity.

2. I have never claimed that I understand God in full, as you claim. I do not believe that, and I never have claimed such a thing. God has clearly given us a revelation of Himself through scripture, and God is not so weak that He is incapable of speaking in such a way His creatures can understand what it is He is saying. When God has spoken clearly, it is our duty to believe without waivering. This issue, is one of those areas where a Christian fails to uphold their duty to their God as a Christian when they waiver.

3. Even if your claim that you do not understand God's word on this issue is genuine, the conclusions you have reached are very interesting. To illustrate how interesting your conclusions are here lets consider the topic of medicine. I don't know much about medicine. Does that mean everyone who makes knowledge claims about COVID-19, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc is arrogant because they claim to know the truth about something that I don't know the truth about?

You see...that would be supremely arrogant wouldn't it? I don't know about X, so anyone who is part of the group who claims knowledge about X is arrogant and prideful and how dare they claim to know the truth about X?

You see switch the subject here to a different subject, and it is crystal clear how incredibly fallacious that argumentation is.

And I'll leave this here for you to chew on:

If I am arrogant and prideful for claiming to know the truth about what God's word says about abortion, then by the same logical fallacy you are prideful and arrogant for claiming to know the truth about COVID-19.

4. Lots of people claim to be lots of things. Some women claim to be men. Some men claim to be women. And some non-Christians claim to be Christians. Self-identification is not the end all be all test of who truly possesses salvation. It can be seen in faith, repentance, and then fruit that is in keeping with repentance.

 

They’re not “people,” just like slaves aren’t “people,” as Democrats said 150 years ago.

 

You have an embarrassingly poor understanding of the history of the evolution of the two political parties. If you think today's Abraham Lincoln would be a registered Republican, you need to put down the pipe.

 

Democrats are who they’ve always been. The party of slavery, the party of segregation, the party of racism, the party of genocide.