The 6 weeks also ignores the fact that it takes some time for MANY women to schedule it, arrange transportation and funding for an abortion. If a woman discovers she's pregnant at 5 weeks that gives her 7 days to make that decision and have the procedure done. That is completely unreasonable and draconian. 6 weeks is a joke. Desantis is an idiot if he signs it.
Lets be honest. Most of the things we like to scream and yell about arent as bad as we thought if we all take some time and look deeper.
I do. Do you know anyone that ever had an illegal abortion? Do you have any idea what that's like, what those women go through? I do and it's sickening that any person in a civilized society should ever have to go through it. Women of means will ALWAYS have access to safe, legal abortions dilations and curettages (that's how it gets entered on their charts) in nice sterilized medical facilities with properly licensed doctors...it's always been that way and it will remain so. The effect of what's going on now will force women with less means to go to other states or, if they can't afford that, to undergo illegal abortions in their own communities or, failing that, self-induced abortions. Planned Parenthood has become my charity of choice. Frankly, some of the posters here (not you) make contributing to PP a stress reducing event. The scales have temporarily tipped in favor of the anti-choicers, but there's a finger on the scale that will eventually get removed. State legislatures can vote on whatever, but when the abortion issue is put before the people, the people respect the right to have that choice. That's why it is critically important that an abortion rights initiative get on every 2024 general election ballot in every state that doesn't have one. Put an end to this nonsense. Edit: @tilly Take a look at who rated this post even though he has been continuously blocked for a few weeks. I've been "bluked."
North Carolina's cut-off is 20 weeks, 6 days. What's interesting is the date being used to calculate when pregnancy began, this guide indicates it's the first day of the woman's last period. Obviously, that's a medical fiction and it serves to shorten the time quite a bit. Where Can I Get an Abortion? | U.S. Abortion Clinic Locator
I agree, but would add that very few abortions actually take place after 16 weeks other than major health complications to the mother or fetus, so such a restriction is practically unnecessary. Additionally, the laws need to spell out very clearly that physicians have autonomy (i.e. legal protection) to make those determinations on exclusions due to health.
That's a fine alternative for some, but the woman is still the one being required to carry to term, not the guys making the rules.
Absolutely. Physicians should have a form of qualified immunity. The law should provide for a presumption that an abortion after the 16th week or at similar point in gestation was medically necessary if determined by a physician or other medical provider and if the State believes that a medical provider should be prosecuted the burden should be on the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the abortion was strictly elective and that there was absolutely no evidence of medical necessity.
Florida DCF has literally hundreds of children the birth mothers didn’t want up for adoption with many of them abused and/or neglected. The vast majority of them are considered un-adoptable because of some physical or mental disability. Adoptive parents want perfect babies. Despite the impression the forced-birthers have that every baby born is a blond haired blue-eyed treasure, they most often come with baggage no one wants. Yes, forcing the mother to give up whatever dreams she may have to go through an unwanted pregnancy definitely is punishment for her, and the newborn.
Appreciate you giving this post. It made me think about the issue more and I think you make a great point.
Have you seen ANY "Libbie" on this board advocating for the right to an abortion after viability except in a compelling medical situation? That's a HUGE lie from the right. The percentage of pro-choice advocates that think a woman should be able to have an abortion as the water breaks (as some rightie recently put it) is a ridiculously small number. The righties want you to believe we are all clamoring for that. That's bullshit, it's a lie, but that's the extreme picture they want to paint. On the other hand, the number of extreme, "out there" righties who believe no abortions/no exceptions (the barbarians,) dwarfs that number.
Fine. Every pregnancy takes a physical and mental toll on the woman. Great, we're back to health considerations.
It's even more of a joke when you realize the starting point for the six weeks calculation. They use the first day of the last period, which is obviously a complete medical fiction....how many woman are actually impregnated on the first day of their period? It can't even be remotely close to 1%.
I am sure this is true. As a parent of 2 special needs now young adults, it isn’t always a walk in the park. You probably get some of the same issues with these kids. A disproportionate number probably have mental issues and many others have various behavioral issues from prior trauma or rough situations. We have superficially thought about adopting such a child given we have an idea what may be involved but I don’t know that we are up for that long term commitment.
This argument is not based in reality. @jjgator55 already refuted it perfectly, so I'm not going to bother trying to improve on her rebuttal.
Not that I agree but some of them would based on the rationale a compromise could be the first step down a slippery slope i.e. reasonable restrictions now could be the first step towards much more onerous legislation later. Keep in mind that the Mississippi law contested under Dobbs would have applied to abortions after the 15th week. The decision overturned Roe v. Wade and had the effect of allowing States to enact legislation prohibiting virtually all abortions.
Maybe in fantasyland. In the real world, 5 million children starve to death every single year. Yes, most who starve are in 3rd world or war torn countries, but it isn’t like the U.S. is without its own hunger/malnourishment or poverty issues.
