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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. Sohogator

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    It’s a subtle troll. But an evidently dumb one.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    If anyone cares about what Russia did to and continue to do to the Ukrainian people no way in hell do you think it’s ok to sign a peace agreement and allow them to keep what they have gained in soil.

    They have committed thousands of war crimes and should pay dearly for it.
     
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  5. mikemcd810

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    At what point do your handlers tell you to pack it in and try a different college football message board? The ROI just can't be worth it given how much time you spend here and that you haven't convinced a single person of your pro-Russia agenda.
     
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  6. uftaipan

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    Without question. When I was at Command & General Staff College about 10 years ago, one of our studies involved the jump in military technology during the 1980s, which saw the proliferation, among other things, of the F-117, AH-64, and M1A1. A certain Congressman was opposed to the project for the understandable reason that the M60 was a perfectly serviceable tank and generally already better than the Soviet T72 (a similar argument was used against the F-35 from people who don’t understand the technology gap). He went to Europe on a fact-finding tour and interviewed some of the Soldiers who were field testing the new tanks in the same environment where they would engage the Soviets in the event of war. One Soldier, who claimed to be the “best M60 tanker in Europe” asserted that after testing the M1A1 he believed a mediocre tank crew could easily take out a platoon of his best M60s in a meeting engagement. That, and whatever else the Congressman saw on his tour, changed his mind on the subject. The Persian Gulf War more than validated some of the assumptions about the tank. Even today, the tank is extremely difficult to destroy from a ground-based system. So in an environment where Russia does not dominate the air (regardless of their weak excuses for that), it will be interesting to see how they adapt their tactics for Abrams on the battlefield.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    You’re not one of those crazy MAGA-type election deniers are you ? Besides, football sucks lately.
     
  8. Sohogator

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    it’s a subtle troll, but an evidently dumb one. I grade the effort a c-
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    Flying with impunity is not an option, for anyone, in these days of ISR and advances air defense systems.

    To call this an excuse is, I suppose, what passes for Command and General Staff College these days.
     
  10. ajoseph

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    I don’t think China wastes energies in emotions such as “despise.” I think China sees us as the largest piece in the Board in their way of global domination and this their biggest challenge.
     
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    I don’t think China’s disposition is that dispassionate. It is angry with the US and it is steeling itself for war.
     
  12. ajoseph

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    We’ve totally gone off topic, but yeah, I think China is readying itself for a war and is using Putin as its, using your word, proxy, to learn as much as possible before launching the war.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    That, plus providing active support. It wants to weaken the US.
     
  14. sierragator

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    They are trying to thread the needle between holding their empire together under the current system and supplanting the US as the dominant world power. Also factor in that from a historical perspective they see being the dominant power as their rightful place. There is also resentment over being humiliated by the west in the colonial era. They won't make the same mistakes the Soviets did.
     
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    You missed the very first and most important feature I listed for Ukraine when I stated any such agreement would “allow Ukraine to maintain their democracy.” That’s been the crux of the matter for the past 20 years. So any such agreement would have the distinct stipulation that the Kremlin would stay out of the politics of Ukraine. If they even begin to dabble with it, all bets are off and NATO would resume and likely expedite lethal aid to Ukraine immediately in a significant way at that time.
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    Democracy for ... what Ukraine ? The Ukraine that’s been shelling its own citizens for years now ?
     
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    I have been wrong before but China likes to think they play the long game. I suspect they will tattle some sabers to see how we respond and then always keep a little pressure on Taiwan. Russia is just evil acting evil. N Korea, Russia and Iran are just evil regimes that keep their people so subjugated that it’s difficult to know how they will react to internal or external dissent.
     
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    Stay Home, Save Lives —> Russia Evil, Just Evil

    Iterations of the same mass-psychosis
     
  19. slayerxing

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    I’m surprised Russia hasn’t been able to complete this conquest of bakhmut. I wonder if they’ve culminated?

    Ps- you can skip all the Georgia stuff in there if you aren’t interested
     
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    Funny, Putin already agreed to that in 2014. How's that looking now? I did not miss your statement at all, I just laughed at it's naiveté.
     
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