The Idea of a National Divorce/Splitting Up the Country

Perhaps I approached this thread incorrectly. If not a National Divorce where do you see the current vicious political discourse leading the U.S.? Do you really think a country as divided as the U.S. can truly stay together long term without devolving into violence and Civil War? History would gladly disagree with you.

And for some of you making fun of the south. If the south adds nothing to the U.S., as many of you here like to claim, then why fight to keep it? Why not let the southern states (Florida, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi and Louisiana in this example) leave again. Technically the remainder of the U.S. would then save money. A lot of the radical social conservatives would be gone. In many ways from what I see on here the U.S. would be better off without those states. The only exception would probably be Texas just due to the massive size of its economy and its energy but otherwise what would the U.S. really lose?

If a Southern country would really be a third world hellhole like a lot of you think it would be why fight to keep it in the U.S.? I think what some of you are really worried about is that a Southern country would not fail and in fact succeed just fine and then the rest of the U.S. wonders why they need D.C. and the over bloated Federal Government. So then other states would leave and form their own countries. That's what I think many here are genuinely worried about.

 

Really? You really think our government is working well now? The only era worse is the Civl War era and the U.S. barely survived that period. Heck in a recent discussion with my parents we even talked about the general discourse of the country. They both admitted that they never thought the country would get as bad as it did in the last 60s/early 70s during the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam and they both said it is FAR FAR worse now that it was at the worst point during that time.

So answer this. What values do both sides share? What culture or values will keep this country together? Do you really think it's going to turn around and everyone is going to be holding hands and all loving each other again. The two sides are going farther and farther apart, they are not coming together. A house divided can not stand. What do you think at this point will really bring the two sides together? I'm sorry but I don't see it.

 

I would say for your map you would need to put most of Illinois as red starting just south of Chicago. Outside of Chicago the state of Illinois is far more similar to Indiana or Iowa. I would also put far western Maryland as Red.

I partially grew up in West Virginia and once you get on I-68 past Hancock that part of Maryland is far more like West Virginia than it is the eastern part of Maryland.

I would also say include eastern Oregon and eastern Washington in red on your map considering several counties in both of those states either want to or are trying to secede to Idaho.

I also find it funny that you are trashing the red states as un-American when California is a state that also has had elements who want to secede and form their own country. So by your standard they are un-American as well. Funny how you ignore that. Even many on the Democrat side have thought about the idea of a National Divorce and breaking up the U.S.

 

BigCypressGator1981 you and many liberals call the fly over states and middle America "Dumbf*ckistan" and wonder why that part of the country for the most part doesn't like liberals. Typically when you trash people they aren't going to like you.

This is the thing liberals never understood from 2016. They never even attempted to understand why Trump won. Of course they say it was racial but really it was because many of those people feel abandoned and left behind. They see a government that no longer cares about them and for the most part they are right. Maybe if liberals understood why those people felt that way they get some of them over to the liberal side, Hilary wins and Trump never sets foot in the White House. But of course all liberals showed is that if you aren't on the coast they don't care about you.

Newsflash BigCypressGator1981, neither you or anybody else on the coast are superior or better to the people of the flyover states and middle America. I'd much hang out with some down to earth people in West Virginia or Alabama or Louisiana than arrogant holier than thou "I think I'm better than you" types in California or New York, that's for sure.

 

Not quite true. That's not total control. I'm talking about one country taking total country. Presidency, Congress, Supreme Court, most Governorships, most state houses and most state Supreme Courts is what I'm talking about. Truly one party rule.

It is inevitable and will happen. Within about 15-20 years as the Boomers die off and Millennials and Gen Z take over Democrats will have almost total control in a lot of states. Even Florida and Texas will long term go blue as the Boomers die off and immigrants largely vote for Democrats.

But here's the thing. There will still be a solid 30-35% of the country that will disagree with them. Do you think that 30-35% will just sit back and take it? Do you think that 30-35% will just accept being second class citizens with no voice? They will not and at some point they will do something that will make January 6th, 2021 look like childs play. And then there will be a Civil War. It's inevitable IMO.

 

Nothing like democracy right? Ignore and silence what you don't agree with. I though your side was supposed to the American side? Good to see some of you all say you are for democracy but really would love to have a dictatorship and speech police.

 

With all due respects I'll take my parents perspective over that of someone I've never even met in person. And they are not the only ones who have told me that. Anyone I've ever asked has told me it's far worse now than it was in the late 60's/early 70's.

1930's was different because the Nazi threat essentially united the country.

The only era that I would say was worse was the 1850's leading up to the Civil War and then the Civil War itself.

The problem with your statement is that I think the sides are way too far apart to ever even think of compromise. Take the 1st and 2nd Amendments alone. Both would like to eliminate the 1st Amendment but for different reasons. Republicans want sensor ship in books and education in general. Democrats would love to have hate speech laws and to officially make certain words illegal. For the 2nd Amendment Republicans look at the 2nd Amendment as essentially gospel and would never want any gun restrictions whereas Democrats would love for an outright ban of guns or any type, even ones just used for hunting/recreational purposes.

Heck on just those two issues alone I don't see how the sides ever compromise and come together.