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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. Sohogator

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    fair they’re clearly not an ally.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    For not being an ally, of Russia, India sure is telling the US to “F-O” a lot.
     
  3. VAg8r1

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    They're essentially telling us that they prefer access to Russian oil most likely at a below world market price rather than following the lead of the US and other Western countries.
     
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  4. Sohogator

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    Don’t have the balls to do anything else not that there’s anything thing in it for them. The only other things Russia can sell is vodka caviar and guns. India is full up.
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    The US has been pressuring them, for a year now, to act as antagonists toward Russia. And for about a year now, India has been telling the US to “F-O”, that it’s reign as hegemon is over.
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    But none of this razzing of Russia makes a difference. Sanctions have not broken Russia. Putin is as popular as ever. And Russia is crushing America’s great proxy in Ukraine.
     
  7. uftaipan

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    All true. And when are we going to put an economic and diplomatic cost on doing that? You know, during Britain’s darkest hour against Nazi Germany, it would have absolutely been in our national interest to keep trading with Germany and selling them raw materials for their war machine. Instead of selling Germany goods, we gave Britain goods. Totally ran contrary to our economic interest, but that was what we did. Is anyone confused about the reasons?
     
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  8. Sohogator

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    And it’s not like they can turn turn to china either despite a combined 2.8T people total trade was only 135B with 35B being exports we only buy 60B of basmati rice and tea from them
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    The US is isolated ...

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  10. chemgator

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    This one is strange to me. Russia has been using (and losing) a large number of its special forces / elite troops in Ukraine, but is withholding several of its advanced weapons systems, like the T-14 Armada tank. Instead, Russia is pulling 1960's tanks out of storage and putting them in battle, sometimes with a medic in control.

    Putin's top troops are being 'decimated' as Russia relies too much on so-called 'elite' forces to wage war in Ukraine

     
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    Some more details on Russia's disastrous fight in Vuhledar. Apparently, Russia repeated their mistakes from last year in Bucha, and marched armored vehicles and tanks single file into a trap. I suppose that the good news for Ukraine is that Russians are slow learners.

    Russia repeated a battle tactic that failed miserably in Bucha and once again lost tanks critical to the war

     
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    Is not valuing life strange for Russia though?
     
  13. uftaipan

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    My theory is that, now that the Javelin has proven far more effective than Russia (or the West, to be fair) believed it would be against their T-90s et al, they don’t dare risk the information disaster of losing their top-end tanks to an army they previously thought was a generation behind them. Better to have the West suspect the T-14s are paper tigers than to put them into combat and remove all doubt.
     
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    It’s amazing all these huge losses for the Russians that you post here on the daily and yet, over the past 3 months of the war, Russia has advanced a smidge. Bakhmut appears to be teetering on the verge of a colossal Ukrainian defeat. Again, I hope the Ukrainians win this for some very good reason. But posts like these remind me of a team that trash talks the entire game and then goes on to lose the game.
     
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  15. GatorJMDZ

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    Hyperbole much? Bakhmut has very little strategic importance. The only thing colossal about it is the amount of men and resources the Russians, desperate for a victory somewhere, have been willing to throw at it. Would Ukraine like to hold onto it? Of course, but, were it to fall, it would only be a colossal defeat in the minds of the few posters that seem to be pulling for Russia in this war.

    Friendly suggestion: Read more, post less. And when I say read, I don't mean tweets from Marjorie Taylor Greene.
     
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  16. uftaipan

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    Well, let’s be fair. We don’t know that. We hope that’s the truth. But if I’m being honest it smacks of a false narrative along the lines of “We didn’t take Kiev because we weren’t really trying to” or “We don’t have air superiority over a vastly inferior power one year into this conflict because we choose not to.” Now if I start seeing a trend of Ukraine trading space for time and casualties in a planned, deliberate manner, then I’ll change my assessment. But for the moment it looks like someone passed after Ukraine declared “None shall pass!”
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    I’m guessing the Russians couldn’t take Kyiv with the 30k or fewer troops that they sent.
     
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    Tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops have been killed, wounded or captured by a private security company in Bakhmut.

    Can you imagine how one-sided it’s going to be when Russia joins the fight ?
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    What happened in Bucha ? Was that when Russia withdrew and murdered its own supporters ? And was that before or after Russian soldiers had to eat zoo animals to survive ?