Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

This was all very new. There were horrible outbreaks of ventilator/midazolam deaths in Italy and NYC. We should have instituted stay away from hospitals orders.

 

You'd have more success explaining algebra to a guinea pig.

 

In these situations where information is incomplete, imperfect & uncertainty abounds, there is no optimal course of action. As you said, you gotta weight tradeoffs & do your best. Of course, it will have obv flaws in hindsight. But any action including doing nothing would have obv albeit diff flaws in hindsight. You are damned if you do & damned if you don't. Also, we know health orgs are gonna be biased toward avoiding the really bad outcomes. A colleague of mine defined bureaucracy as a bunch of little pains in the ass meant to prevent a huge disaster.

 

Pride.

 

How are you measuring each of these things?

 

Instead, governments concluded, “Why little pains in the ass when we can seed a big disaster ?”

 

Want to know why excess deaths are so high now? It’s not Covid. It is a combination of things. But the shut downs are a major factor.

No doubt they scared the mess out of a lot of people. And we now get to deal with the consequences.

 

Want to know why excess deaths are so high now? It’s not Covid. It is a combination of things. But the shut downs are a major factor.

No doubt they scared the mess out of a lot of people. And we now get to deal with the consequences.

 

Yeah, I remember very soon after the initial national martial law decree was winding down Desantis gave a press conference where you could tell Florida was going to be OK IRT any continued lockdown bullshit.

 

If asymptomatic spread was never a thing, why is there a study that shows the reason some are asymptomatic is genetic? And another showing asymptomatic spread accounted for 50% of the transmission of the virus early on? You post things as truth, yet show absolutely nothing that supports your conclusions. And it's easy to find plenty of scientific papers that prove that you are wrong.

As for Natural Immunity, again, there's this study looking at Manaus, Brazil from Feb, 2021 that questioned NI. This study later proved to be flawed due to significant data area, but how can you claim you knew NI was a thing when there were serious questions in the scientific community after looking at the data coming from Manaus? It wasn't until the summer of 2021, when data came out of Israel that showed the strength of NI that the narrative began to change.

So what predictive models were you looking at? The White House model that predicted a total of 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in total? We now know that's 100% wrong! We already have over 1 million dead. And while models are never going to be 100% accurate, the ones predicting 2 million deaths or more with no interventions are the ones that are more accurate.

 

It was a fake diagnostic that gave rise to the fairy tale of asymptomatic transmission.

 

I'm not talking about excess deaths today. I'm trying to understand why you vilify people who were in extremely difficult situations at the beginning and early stages of the pandemic. It's the height of arrogance to call these people evil when your "plans" don't consider even a microcosm of the complexities involved. There's nothing wrong with some criticism but instead of saying "thank god it wasn't me who had to make those decisions" you act like the solutions were obvious rather than critically evaluating the available options at the time. If the Great Barrington Declaration was such an obvious solution, and Fauci is such a fool, then why wasn't that the universal standard with the US being an outlier? Now, not only do you know more than the top infectious disease expert in the US with over 50 years of experience, you know more than the top infectious disease expert in every country in the world. Try to have just a little self-awareness.

 

The data actually showed medical and dental offices were not a place where Covid spread in a meaningful way. But hey. We certainly scared people to think otherwise.

 

We now know fauci was a fool. We now know the Great Barrington Declaration was the correct way to respond. Yet people still defend the actions of people who ignored science and demonized the correct strategy. I have plenty of awareness on what happened. The data showed us.

 

Quick google search if you are into studies like some here…

“Results
Following 962 reported exposures of DSMs to 508 SARS-CoV-2 positive patients, 7 DSMs were SARS – CoV-2 positive with a 0.7% cumulative transmission rate. Following 507 reported exposures by 43 SARS-CoV-2 positive DSMs, 3 patients were SARS – CoV-2 positive, with a 0.6% cumulative transmission rate. During the study period, the SARS-CoV-2 incidence rate in dental clinics was significantly lower when compared to the population.”

Risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission following exposure during dental treatment – A national cohort study

 

Yep. DeSantis was not perfect. Though from a government leadership position he probably played it right while knowing he should have opened back up earlier. I was definitely confident we were not going to make the mistake we did again going forward…

 

Those asymptomatic studies at the beginning were pure garbage. I remember the German one they started with to scare everyone. It was literal trash that only showed some minor presymptomatic spread.

There is a reason we don’t hear about and have not heard about asymptomatic spread since the beginning of this thing…

 

That was published in August 2021. Hindsight.

 

How do we "know" it was the correct way to respond? For one thing, it wasn't even published until October 2020 - well into the pandemic. For another, it was universally criticized by public health officials. What's the evidence that it was undoubtedly the right way to respond? And also where would we find a time machine to travel back and apply it at the start of the pandemic?

 

How are you distinguishing between asymptomatic spread and presymptomatic spread?