Lee County FL GOP passes resolution to “Ban the Jab”

There is no debating that there were capacity issues at specific different places. NYC for instance. Later there were issues in some more rural communities.

No, it wasn’t all hospitals. I can’t speak to whether it was even a majority of hospitals. But it did happen, and was largely unpredictable. To the degree it didn’t happen in some places was due to hospitals adapting and preparing themselves for such contingencies.

Also it wasn’t always about beds and physical capacity. There were staffing related issues too.

 

I was just curious to know if he had encountered anybody that was a part of the increase in demand for support services. If yes, how did those conversations go about a virus not existing? If no, then it might reveal a situation of limited scope on D's part.

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I guess you are referring to DD - I have him blocked. I for the life of me don’t know why anybody would even want to debate or discuss anything of substance with someone who asserts viruses don’t exist. Why even give people like that oxygen?

 

I'm not against vaccines, and not against the Covid vaccine. If you want to get it, great. If you don't, then don't. Given manufacturing and testing cycle, what was developed and offered is both a huge scientific triumph of a magnitude equivalent to what was accomplished to get Apollo 13 home, but it also produced a product with more risk than other vaccines that have historically been available. We quite simply could not do enough long term testing in that amount of time to allow unknown unknowns to surface.

Approving it for use was the right move, but folks have to be able assess and make their own choice based upon their individual risk profile, and nobody should be demonized for that. My wife and I both got the initial 2-dose Pfizer shot when things were pretty bad. We also subsequently got Covid. I've had no ill effects, the Covid itself was mild, and I'm healthy as I've ever been. My wife on the other hand, was a fairly healthy woman in her early 30s who eats well, doesn't have any notable family health history, is at a good weight, etc, but all of a sudden started spiking severely high blood pressure that at one point reached 200/100 and had her admitted to the hospital. She's had all manner of testing and has no coronary artery disease, no heart issues, nothing that would typically result in something like this, and no genetic risk factors. She's got it controlled with medication, but it is still baffling.

I tell that story because knowing what we know now about how Covid affects the blood and the heart, this very well could have been caused by the vaccine, the virus, or both, or some combination of those things in the presence of her specific immune response. There is enough data out there now to recognize that while the vaccine is "safe" in absolute terms, there is a significant risk level that comes along with taking it due to factors that we don't well understand yet. The same is true, of course, of the virus itself.

Until we get long term data and have a better understanding of what exactly causes these issues, to mandate the vaccine is both irresponsible and morally wrong.

 

Conservatives: There’s too much government interference making it too hard for businesses to operate.

Business: In order to work for this company you need to be vaccinated.

Conservatives: We’re opposed to forced vaccinations so the government needs to step in and stop it.

 

Good question. Push for an answer.

 

It's almost as if some have completely forgotten that a deadly pandemic, a true global medical catastrophe, took the lives of millions.

 

If it's a genuinely held belief, it's probably not unique. I see the mindset like a puzzle, is there something the other person is missing that we can help them see another way. Or conversely, is there some truly hard-to-grasp concept that defies what is commonly accepted that everybody is missing? Same reason we continue to engage ball-earthers.

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No

 

I suspect in this case it is flat out trolling, given the ridiculousness of it. But if not that, the more ridiculous the belief the less likely you are to dissuade someone of such beliefs, because something other than rationality is at play

 

People keep saying this, but it really is not true. Google Dr Paul Offit and vaccine side effects. Basically he said that in the case of ALL vaccines over the past century or more, the side effects have become known within a couple of months at the most. There are no examples of vaccines that 5 years later after rollout new side effects have come to light. People keep incorrectly ascribing characteristics of daily pharmaceutical drugs to vaccines which are taken once, or a couple of times.

Yes vaccines have side effects, but after billions of doses the side effects are well known.

Sorry to hear that. It is indicative of the types of symptoms you are seeing post Covid infection. Not as much the vaccine.

Look up Covid and POTS. Given her symptoms and age it sounds like it could POTS. There does appear to be a minor association between the vaccine and POTS. However the association between POTS and actual Covid infection is like 5 times higher.

The vaccine does have side effects, like all vaccines. However in almost all cases the same side effects, with much more severe manifestation, are associated with Covid infection. When we are talking about a disease that will eventually infect everybody, the basis of risk comparison should be the disease, not if you remain unvaccinated and never get sick.

Your assertion that there is “significant risk” associated with the vaccine is not based upon any prevailing evidence, after 2 years and billions of doses.

In no way is it irresponsible. The responsible thing to do would be to vaccinate everybody. But the question is balancing what society should do, vs the freedom to do what they shouldn’t. Where one’s morality falls on that varies.

 

It takes a big person to admit it when they lose. I gotcha pretty good. Lol.

 

Yes we’re all very proud of you.

 

False equivalency is your standard defense of right-wing idiocy.

 

Most conservatives have no issue with businesses deciding. I disagreed strongly with DeSantis on the issue.

We do have an issue with the government taking livelihoods away though.

 

I call out plenty of right winged idiocy.
Trump, MTG, Cruz etc...

Show me the actual false equivalence though?

For starters by stating two things, I am not making them equal. That is an assumption on your part. You know as a fact that I lean much more to your camp on Vaccines than I do the opposite.

I just wasnt in favor of mandating people into unemployment or our of school.

The free market can mandate as they wish in the private sector. The government was overreaching.

 

Agree... I think the issue is there can be rational debate as to how to handle it or how it should have been handled.

 

Let’s say if we had a bird flu outbreak within humans, and it was 10-20% fatal or higher. Would you still think shut downs and vaccine mandates (if a vax were developed ) would be inappropriate ?