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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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    I’ve blocked more than that and I agree. The only downside is having to Wade through the responses of people thinking they have to respond to every idiotic claim in kind which gives the trolls oxygen and attention and even more of an audience.
     
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  2. docspor

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    totes! He's decided that he is a massive victim of the most heinous persecution in history. His narrative is that he & his family have suffered "pure evil" & he ain't gonna let no damn studies sway him from his victimization fetish.
     
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  3. gatordavisl

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    Just FYI - that article is not a study. I realize you didn't claim it was, I just want you to understand the nature of the piece. It's an interpretation from a non-clinical "study," which appears to have involved weak methodology (meta analysis). It's non-experimental research. You also have to read the entire piece:

    “The clinical trial results of the COVID-19 vaccine showed a very good safety profile, however, the sample size of the trial was not large enough to detect the rare adverse events that may occur. In addition, some studies have shown that the incidence of myocarditis or pericarditis resulting from vaccination is much lower than that in people infected with COVID-19,” the study authors wrote."
     
  4. gatordavisl

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    Oooh ooh ooh! I know the answer to this one. :emoji_nerd:
     
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  5. HeyItsMe

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    The travesty of having a field trip canceled. He’s right up there with the great activists of the world like MLK and Rosa Parks.
     
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  6. duchen

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    Please lock this thread! Pretty please?!!! Please don’t make me resort to shameless begging!
     
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  7. duchen

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    Not if @lacuna is merciful and locks it!
     
  8. gatordavisl

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    Don't read it?
     
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  9. duchen

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    Is it May 11 yet? Now? Now?
     
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  10. lacuna

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    Sorry, not my call. That decision would need to be made after a conference call among the forum's high muckety mucks. :ninja3:
     
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  11. duchen

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    . Sad face emoji
     
  12. QGator2414

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    I avoid garbage studies to give me the answer I want. Cat has yet to provide a serious study asking the questions you and he does not want answered. Granted we can’t. Because they have not been done. And that should infuriate you and him.
     
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  13. QGator2414

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    That study is as bad as your other one…
     
  14. AzCatFan

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    Sorry the studies didn't give you the answer you want! But when study after study, done by actual scientists, with results published in scientific, peer reviewed, trusted journals all give the same answer, what should that tell you? To A: Trust the data. Or B: Whine that all the studies are crap because they didn't bring you the results you wanted?

    I'll go with A. You go with B all you want. Still doesn't change the data.
     
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  15. QGator2414

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    Certainly not a victim. Far from it. Fortunately I live where we allow people to make decisions for themselves (well we were forced to shutdown outside emergency care for 7 weeks). My family was not forced to take a shot unnecessarily to keep their livelihood. We have been blessed.

    Record years every single one since this pandemic started. Including 2020. After dropping MetLife when we came back from being shut down…we crushed 2020 on the back end (did pick up some hours to make up for lost time for a couple of months but dropping MetLife was a massive cash flow influx as we did not lose patients my wife has built an amazing reputation). 2021 we brought on an associate. And 2022 could not slow down.

    About to have our contracts with Delta and Cigna expire as we have not been able to come to an agreement. We will be an unrestricted provider with all insurances by June 1.

    The last thing you can say about us…is we are a victim. We are beyond blessed!

    But we will stand up for those who are victims. Those who were forced to take a shot they did not need. Any person who had Covid and was forced to take a shot later to keep a job or to go to school…needs to be able to sue the government and Pharma. Even more so if they were vaccine harmed.
     
  16. QGator2414

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    Garbage studies are just that. Garbage.
     
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  17. AzCatFan

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    Where are your studies that you are basing your conclusions on? And pray tell, why are peer reviewed, scientific studies published in respective journals garbage?
     
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  18. QGator2414

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    We don’t have any reputable RCT studies on the questions that matter. And unfortunately there are no signs they are coming. But you keep ignoring the questions. And instead seek the answer you want.

    I just hope you realize your kids and grandkids should not be taking these shots. They should have never been authorized for them.

    Pfizer and Moderna should be required to pay for these studies with the immunity handouts provided. But that is exactly why they will not have to. Along with public health knowing they lied. They lied about natural immunity. Which was obvious. They lied about masks. They made up social distancing. They are going to do their best to protect themselves from how wrong they have been.

    End of the day. Covid is absolutely a player in the issue. But so are these shots. So are the lockdowns and fear mongering that kept people away from the doctor. And we have known from day one the risks are not then same for an elderly person verse a young person.

    You do what you need to do. As much as you and I disagree. I truly respect you and would gladly enjoy a beer one day. Can’t say that about everyone here.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    Know what's better than an RCT? Real world data with hundred of million participants. Real world data always trumps a trial, because any trial runs a risk of data skew, depending on the number of participants. And most RCTs have about a 95% confidence, meaning actual, Real world data could skew 5% in either direction.

    We don't need RCTs. The real world data is there for all to use and see. And any full implementation is going to get you much better data than any trial.

    You're just upset the data doesn't support your conclusions. I'm not looking for answers I want. I'm looking for data, and drawing my conclusions from the data. You are the one looking for the data you want, and crying foul when none of the studies give you the data you want.

    RCTs are the best kind of trial. But even the best RCT can miss something when there is full scale implementation. Full scale implementation, on the other hand, gives you the best data possible. Think about it, which is going to be me accurate? A RCT study with 5,000 participants? Or full scale implementation with millions?
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    Real world data has a massive increase in excess deaths. So yes. We need RCTs to understand why.

    And we have a massive increase in MI (myocardial infarction). We need to know why.

    No one ever even mentions SMI (silent myocardial infraction). The crazy thing. I am not sure it is even ethical to run a RCT for it now. Considering the symptoms mirror what is considered common side effects of the shot.

    These shots need to stop immediately. Especially for low risk groups.
     
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