Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

The disease is not that dangerous to most. Natural immunity is superior. No one has said NI will keep you from getting the disease.

You don’t mass push a shot that provides little to no benefit on a group of people when there are clear safety signals.

It is mind boggling that people do not understand there is a difference in risk for a 20 year old and 80 year old when it comes to Covid. Let’s just start giving every shot to every person regardless of risk and benefit to that individual patient/person.

 

The public good was diminished when we allowed authorization on emergency use for shot to a group of people at no real risk when the shot Al had real and known safety signals.

And this is a definition of it. People still willing to give their kids and grandkids a shot to this day. The generational damage caused by public health/cdc/fda is infuriating and unacceptable. But propaganda is a very powerful and dangerous tool. And it was used to damage the public good. Sadly it was successful.

 

Fair is fair, what with everyone faking Covid or Long Covid.

 

Except for almost a year there was no other option. We knew who was at the highest risk for hospitalization/death.
There should have been a concerted effort to have those people insulate themselves from exposure. Instead campaign of fear was launched. You had people wiping their groceries down for a year in some places that was based on anti science. Beaches closed where people weren’t going to be within 200yards of each other. That was completely ridiculous. It just makes people not trust the powers that be.
Most hospitals were never even close to capacity.
Once the vaccines came out people who had been infected and were hesitant to get vaccinated were roundly mocked and chastised.
EUA is great and was needed but to criticize some for not taking a new medication before full safety studies were completed is really arrogant. The list is long of drugs pulled from the market after long term safety data is reviewed.

People who had never been infected should have been ahead of those who had been infected when the rolls out came.

 

Yep.
All people need the pneumococcal vaccine.
All people need the shingles vaccine.
All people need the HPV vaccine.

While we are at it throw in Yellow fever and anthrax too

 

No thanks, you can be the pin cushion.

 

My post was sarcasm

 

Oh, sorry. It’s sadly unusual, on this sub forum, to encounter people who aren’t presenting every available limb for vaccines.

 

VAERS reports were guaranteed to go up once the vaccine became available. There was a huge jump in the number of people being vaccinated. There was also likely going to be a huge jump in false reports from anti-vaxxers.

As for taking the vaccine, the data from multiple studies shows vaccinated people have lower odds of severe outcomes from COVID. Lower hospitalization rates, and lower death rates. True for a group of teens as it is for a group of octogenarians. And the risks from the jab are minimal. So, can anyone give me a good reason not to lower the risks?

As for just attempting to isolate just high risk populations before the vaccine, it's impossible. The UK tried to follow the Great Barrington Declaration at first, and abandoned the policy after 6 weeks when hospitalization and death tolls shot up. Maybe in Sweden, it might work, where 45% of households are single occupancy. But in every other country, too many generational households and dependencies where generations mingle to make it work.

 

There is no legitimate reason to not get the shot, the side effects are very minimal and it’s proven to be safe beyond measure. And spare me the myocarditis spiel, it’s been shown time and again that you’re much more likely to get it from actual Covid than the shot itself. At some point in time, you have to actually bring proof to the table for the garbage you’re spewing if you’re against the vaccine, not just speculation not backed up by facts. Also, @QGator2414 spare me the “not that dangerous” nonsense. The millions dead worldwide from it and their families would disagree with you. Just because it didn’t affect YOU doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be taken seriously. Typical conservative mentality. All about pro life, unless it comes to containing a deadly virus or gun control, lol.

 

Except for people on Too Hot, no one else in the world denies that vaccines carry risks. They only quibble about the degree of risk.

Accordingly, vaccines are an intervention, that carries certain risks, to be applied to a non-existent disease.

Put another way, if vaccines have killed one person, that’s one more than died of ‘Covid.’

 

When COVID was a more significant risk (I have a multitude of items that increase my risks), I got my vaccinations and boosters, especially with the fact I work directly with patients in the ER. After getting a weak case of COVID, I know I am currently done with boosters. I just had my second case of mild COVID so I'll continue to rely on NI for now. I don't understand why so many draw hardcore lines in the sand. Both sides.

 

For me it’s not so much hardcore as it is folly to take risks for non-existent diseases.

 

Sprayer me the lie that it is dangerous to healthy people. The data from the very beginning shows us that. If you want to ignore reality…that is on you. Even fauci in 2019 explained the best way to fight respiratory diseases like this. But you do you. Get your unnecessary shots if you want. It was a terrible disease. And we killed tens of millions more based on how we responded. Along with causing generational damage in a multitude of other areas from mental health to trust in public resources.

The crazy thing is you would still take a shot this day most likely.

 

No forgetting. No amnesty. Nothing but scorn and derision for those who regard their fellows as deadly disease vectors and too often treated them accordingly.

 

Lock! Lock! Lock!

 

Libbie!

 

I thought it was somewhat serious at first until you mentioned HPV, yellow fever and anthrax. In the case of pneumococcal and shingles vaccines all people above a certain age should probably get them (a qualifier that you intentionally omitted although it wasn't apparent at first) although in the case of shingles it's probably unnecessary for people who have never had chicken pox.

 

I'm amused you did not recognize the sarcasm in his post, apparently preferring to take it at face value without considering the alternative.

 

I will grant you that public health officials in retrospect made some questionable calls, and in some cases it wasn’t clear whether it was lack of knowledge early in the situation or there were other agendas involved. But by and large I attribute most of it to it being new and not have a lot of definitive data on it. Then the media and public starved for information amplified whatever came out of public health officials mouths which may not have always been definitive direction.

It was pretty clear early on that the risks of vaccination were far less than the actual disease. You continue to compare it to medicines that are taken repeatedly for months and years as if they have similar potential risk profiles, which is demonstrably false.

The ridicule of vaccine skepticism was that by large majorities it was clearly political and partisan.