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PGA vs LIV **Updated to discuss merger**

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Feb 17, 2023.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    LIV was claiming sovereign immunity. They lost that argument so now must produce contracts for PGA to examine in PGA lawsuit claiming that LIV interfered int heir business by offering extravagant contracts to entice players to break their contracts with the PGA.

    Saudi Fund Ordered to Provide Evidence in PGA-LIV Golf Suit (msn.com)

    The PGA Tour Inc. won a court ruling directing Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund to provide evidence in an acrimonious antitrust battle with LIV Golf, the rival upstart backed by the oil-rich kingdom.

    US Magistrate Judge Susan Van Keulen granted PGA’s request to force the Public Investment Fund and its governor, Yasir Al-Rumayyan, to testify under oath and produce documents.

    With a subpoena, the PGA will be able to gather additional material to bolster its claims that LIV unlawfully pushed players to break contracts with the US-based tour by offering them exorbitant sums of money.

    Attorneys for the Saudi fund had argued that sovereign immunity shields PIF and Al-Rumayyan from providing evidence in US courts. Van Keulen rejected that argument.
    A federal district judge in San Jose, California, has set a hearing in May on a separate request by the PGA to allow it to revise its claims to include the fund and its chief as defendants.
     
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  2. 14serenoa

    14serenoa Living in Orange and surrounded by Seminoles... VIP Member

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    Many products are bought and sold to the highest bidder. NCAA coaches are often enticed to coach at a rival school willing to pay more money. Some elite HS recruits are rumored to sign with the highest bidder. I guess the Tour has some contract language that was violated by the LIV org.
     
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  3. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

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    To be clear, LIV sued PGA Tour and the PGA Tour then counter sued LIV. LIV has its own claims against the Tour. Personally I think both are trash.
     
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  4. tampajack1

    tampajack1 Premium Member

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    Both suits or both tours?
     
  5. g8trjax

    g8trjax GC Hall of Fame

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    Can you even watch LIV events here in the US?
     
  6. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    From context, I am guessing tortious interference. Very simplistically, you can induce those that are not contractually bound (or if their contract has certain terms that make it “breakable”), but you can’t simply induce them to breach. That’s very simplistic, many qualifications, but that is what it sounds like
     
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  7. channingcrowderhungry

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    They were on streaming only but I believe they just signed a deal with the CW network.
     
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  8. g8trjax

    g8trjax GC Hall of Fame

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    OT but for those who still watch golf...:emoji_joy:
     
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  9. littlebluelw

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  10. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

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    In DeLand they are typically on upn or wb or whatever the network is called now. Channel 18
     
  11. mrhansduck

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    Saw a piece (maybe 60 Minutes) awhile back about how much money the Saudis are pouring into sports. Suggestion that all the spending is a loss-leader intended to soften public opinion and distract from their authoritarian and civil rights issues.
     
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  12. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

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  13. littlebluelw

    littlebluelw GC Hall of Fame

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    Yeah many (if not most or all) of the players it seems had no idea.
     
  14. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

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    He said Rory and Tiger didn't know. Which is pretty amazing.
     
  15. BLING

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    Sounds like PGA Tour caved for some of that sweet, sweet Saudi $$$$.

    Of course the tour wouldn’t have had an issue in the first place if LIV wasn’t created as a direct competitor - buying off individual players. The issue is those individual players were effectively taking $$$ straight from a foreign government. That borderline makes them agents of a foreign government in my eyes, especially with so much of the commentary resulting from it. The very definition of “sports washing” when the athletes are literally paid agents of a government. It was quite sad to see them do that.

    Just shows it wasn’t much of a principled stand by the PGA tour, especially with how much control they apparently gave up to the Saudi’s. On the surface it seems the PGA caved, but it’s also true that LIV itself couldn’t have been sustainable for very long (it was an endless cash sink at the rate it was going). But at least the LIV players shouldn’t have to beclown themselves in the same way anymore. Now they can all sportswash together!
     
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    littlebluelw GC Hall of Fame

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    That's nuts if true. Bet there's some heated convos right now. Some speculation that the PGA tours non profit status may have come into question if discovery had continued in the lawsuits.
     
  17. Gatorhead

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    G8tr - Article is out today that the two entities just merged.
    Sorry don't have the link.
     
  18. channingcrowderhungry

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    That would make sense to me. Otherwise this seems pretty out of the blue by the PGA.
     
  19. JG8tor

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    That's a tight ship he's running there.​
     
  20. oragator1

    oragator1 Hurricane Hunter Premium Member

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    Trump got something right!

     
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