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Trump's Troubles

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. mikemcd810

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    You're definitely right there considering they keep getting convicted but doesn't change the fact that they claim they acted because of Trump.
     
  2. mikemcd810

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    Kyle Rittenhouse?
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    And this is what Biden said regarding the vandalism.
    READ: Joe Biden's remarks on civil unrest and nationwide protests | CNN Politics
     
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  4. coleg

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    Here's the proof: From transcript of Trump's speech 1/6
    "Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down.
    Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them." As clearly stated as the word salad orange boy ever was. LOL
     
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  5. exiledgator

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    Just adamantly insist there were no George Floyd riots. Stick to your guns and hold the line for two years. Videos prove nothing, but if they maybe do, it was just crisis actors. Proud boy infiltrators.

    No matter what deny they even occured. It was all hippies eating sandwiches in the park.

    Then get really really angry and type in all caps about how weak he is for finally giving up on you and just slapping bacon on your posts without arguing like a rational human.

    Because you're the only one being rational.

    Riots aren't real.
     
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  6. VAg8r1

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    Nobody is denying the vandalism was real. What's not real is the narrative the overwhelming majority of demonstrators protesting after the George Floyd video was made public were involved in the vandalism when it was only small minority albeit a small minority responsible for significant destruction.
     
  7. ursidman

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    And the police substation that was set afire was done by the RW Boogaloo Boys as was the guy who broke windows at the Target in Minneapolis that precipitated the looting, and the 2 cops killed in Calif. The violence and property damage was done to incite other protesters and to cast blame on Antifa.

    Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence
     
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  8. l_boy

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    I have never heard that narrative.
     
  9. VAg8r1

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    Maybe somewhat of an exaggeration but it's more or less implicit when the right tries to compare the storming of the Capitol with the post-George Floyd protests.
    One example:
    False equivalency between Black Lives Matter and Capitol siege: Experts, advocates
     
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    It’s the narrative of almost every alt-right newz consuming right winger.

    As ursadmin pointed above, not even all the actual acts of violence related to the George Floyd protests were committed by “ANTIFA” or left wingers. Some were actually carried out by right wing provocateurs. I wouldn’t say that was the majority by any stretch, but right wing media shields their audience from that entirely while hyping up the narratives about ANTIFA. In reality most of the crimes (particularly looting) aren’t even political, they are just criminals taking advantage of the chaos. In a lot of cases it’s just bad police tactics, a big show of force against an organized march leaving other areas undefended against looters and criminals.
     
  11. rivergator

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  12. exiledgator

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    Right. I was trying to demonstrate to the poster the absurdity of his position. Not sure why I bother though
     
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  13. GatorJMDZ

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    The "clowns of all flavors" were overwhelmingly one of two groups...Trump supporters wearing red MAGA hats and Trump supporters without MAGA hats.

    It has everything to do with Trump. Who got that crowd of demented "patriots" all ginned up to march on the Capital? Trump and his people spent an entire rally getting them worked up to that point. I know Florida law doesn't control here, but this is Florida's relevant statute:

    777.011 Principal in first degree.—Whoever commits any criminal offense against the state, whether felony or misdemeanor, or aids, abets, counsels, hires, or otherwise procures such offense to be committed, and such offense is committed or is attempted to be committed, is a principal in the first degree and may be charged, convicted, and punished as such, whether he or she is or is not actually or constructively present at the commission of such offense.

    And Florida's Standard Jury Instruction on principals:
    If the defendant helped another person or persons [commit] [attempt to commit] a crime, the defendant is a principal and must be treated as if [he] [she] had done all the things the other person or persons did if:

    1. the defendant had a conscious intent that the criminal act be done and

    2. the defendant did some act or said some word which was intended to and which did incite, cause, encourage, assist, or advise the other person or persons to actually [commit] [attempt to commit] the crime.

    To be a principal, the defendant does not have to be present when the crime is [committed] [or] [attempted].

    As an aside, what Senator Josh Hawley did with his little thumbs up gesture to his adoring insurrectionists (minutes before he war running away from them in sheer terror) would be enough to also charge him under Florida law.
     
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    Lt. William Calley gave it his best shot.
     
  15. ursidman

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    When hired hitmen testify against the guy that hired them, the punishment is more severe for the guy that told him to do it.
     
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  16. 92gator

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    ...any day now, the hammer finna fall...

    Right?
     
  17. Sohogator

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    The walls are closing in. The first of Trumps clown rat lawyers is staring down obstruction of justice charges. Many other will face the same and will soon be flipping like flounders. Still sucks that it took two years but things accelerating nicely.

     
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  18. Sohogator

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    Meanwhile on the business. Front it looks like Trumps prized asset 40 Wall Street (famed for being the tallest build n lower Manhattan after 9/11 is about to go tits up, like anything else he’s been involved with

    he’ll die a relative pauper. Ha ha ha ha ha!

    Trump’s 40 Wall Street on Lender Watchlist
     
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  20. G8trGr8t

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    Charges Against Trump Lawyer ‘Very Likely,’ Colleagues Warn Donald – Rolling Stone

    During a grand jury appearance in January, prosecutors reportedly asked Corcoran questions about events prior to last year’s FBI raid of Trump’s Florida residence of Mar-a-Lago, according to CNN. Corcoran drafted, and fellow Trump attorney Christina Bobb signed, a statement attesting to the government that a “diligent search” had been conducted of the Florida residence in May of 2022 — a statement which the subsequent discovery of classified material during the FBI search has undermined. Corcoran reportedly declined to answer some questions based on his belief that they were protected attorney-client privilege.

    But prosecutors have since filed a motion asking a judge in the case to force him to testify based on the crime-fraud exception, which can override attorney-client privilege in cases where an attorney may have assisted a client in the perpetration of a crime.

    However, since last year, as the various investigations and criminal probes into Trump have swelled, members of the former president’s inner sanctum have kept a rotating roster of their top potential patsies or fall guys. This has included prominent Trump associates and lieutenants including Mark Meadows and John Eastman. Now, Corcoran has found himself at the center of this MAGA parlor game of protecting Trump at all costs — even though all of these people are getting in trouble only for doing exactly what Trump told them to do, or for taking action on Trump’s behalf. Furthermore, Corcoran’s defenders point to the fact that Trump’s teams of lawyers are typically rife with backbiting, in-fighting, and at times power struggles, including on the Mar-a-Lago documents case, according to three people with knowledge of the situation.

    “These types of motions [requesting that a judge nullify attorney-client privilege based on the crime-fraud exception] would only be served upon the attorneys who’ve appeared in the case: Jim Trusty, John Rowley, Evan Corcoran, Tim Parlatore, and Lindsey Halligan; the five of them would be the only people who have access to these documents,” says a person familiar with the internal proceedings of Trump’s legal team. “Any source other than that would not be speaking from a position of access and would likely be speaking based on their own personal agenda, rather than actual facts. [Furthermore], when DOJ targets lawyers, it is often being done from a position of weakness in their underlying case, as a method of undermining the integrity of the defendant’s legal team. Removal of Evan Corcoran … would serve the purpose of giving DOJ exactly what it wanted.”