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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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  2. mikemcd810

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    What would you do about Ukraine/Russia if you were President of the US?
     
  3. sierragator

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    Give the Ukrainians the weapons they need to defend their country. They are more than willing to fight, they need the means.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    Get along with the rest of the world.
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    To the last dead Ukrainian.
     
  6. chemgator

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    You are forgetting AK-47's. Except they probably need every one of those they can get right now.
     
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  7. chemgator

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    With your people skills and tenuous grasp of the truth? You would be lucky to get along with your own pets.
     
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  8. mikemcd810

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    What does that mean? The rest of the world largely follows US lead.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    You take my point then ?
     
  10. mikemcd810

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    Sure don't. Let's take this back a step. You were president at the time Russia invaded Ukraine so it's up to you to define how the US and it's allies respond. What would you have done? Just stay out of it entirely?
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    Biden, Blinken and Austin said the quiet part out loud - regime change Putin and weaken Russia. This is the war the US wanted. And it’s ending in disaster like all the other US proxy wars. Had the US instead dignified Russia’s concerns, this war could almost certainly have been prevented.
     
  12. mikemcd810

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    So you would have just let Russia take whatever territory they wanted. Got it.
     
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    Longer discussion, but it would have been for the best had we done less not more in Syria. What’s done is done, and we have the world that we have now, but our half-measures in Syria have probably been worse than no measures at all. What we did do ended up being one of the catalysts for the creation of ISIS, brought the Russians into the region, and exacerbated problems in Turkey. Impossible to say what full measures what would have done. Perhaps strangled ISIS is its cradle but probably also would have resulted in worse problems with Russia and Turkey as well as mission on the order of OIF in terms of troop commitments, spending, and casualties.

    Edit: our half-measures with Syria inadvertently also empowered Iran to a significant degree; one more reason I wish we could have that play back.
     
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    There is scant evidence that Russia planned to take Ukraine irrespective of negotiations. Even now it’s doubtful that Russia intends to take the whole of Ukraine, much less other countries.
     
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    Zelensky just told the BBC that land concession will not be part of any peace deal, since Russia will just come back for more. So it’s going to be a long war of attrition seemingly. Unless we force a deal on them by threatening to withhold support if they don’t settle.
     
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    Nothing I have not stated before, not necessarily in this order:

    1. Fire Jake Sullivan; hire a National Security Advisor the Russians will fear. My first call is Jim Mattis.

    2. Change the messaging to the world that Russia simply isn’t getting it, that there is no path to victory for them in Ukraine, and the only choice left to them is how much face and how many troops to save on the path to returning to their January 2014 borders.

    3. Reinforce Eastern Europe with three heavy divisions and equivalent enablers. The equipment and munitions stay permanently. The personnel rotate. Similar situation as West Germany in the 1980s.

    4. Do what should have done a year ago and mobilize the economy for a long war: munitions, hydrocarbons, and food production.

    5. Build field hospitals in Eastern Europe, take charge of Ukrainian combat casualties, and relieve pressure on the Ukrainian medical system.

    6. Establish SAM umbrella in Poland and Romania that protects Western Ukraine and Moldova.

    7. Establish maritime exclusion zone from Odessa to the Dardanelles to protect Ukrainian merchant shipping.

    8. Organize volunteer NATO forces under operational control of Ukrainian government that remain under administrative control and logistical support of their home nations.
     
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    Putin a madman sitting astride the world’s largest nuke arsenal. Pressure him. Hem him in. Stop him! Push! Push! PUSH!!!
     
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    1. Invoke the defense protection act to speed up munitions production.
    2. Allow the use of long range himars on munitions, bridges, and military bases within reach
    3. Provide additional drone options
    4. Get Ukranian pilots trained in F-16 or whatever EU airplane someone would like to put up against the Russians
    5. Eliminate ethanol subsidies so land would revert to food production. Grain and wheat from Ukraine will continue to decrease for the next 3 years? and we need to help fill the void.

    re-evaluate every 30 days
     
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    damn, threw the woman off the balcony. wonder if she gave them the codes to the bitcoin accounts of all the stolen money first. russian version of a court martial for corruption?