I’m not drawing a distinction. First thing I said was it is sad this stil exists. My take was the government is doing it through th prison systems and it is being done “illegally” in other ways. As far as over seas… no one seems to care an iota where their stuff comes from. Child slave labor is all fine ms sandy as long as I get the newest IPhone.
If I wanted to operate in bad faith like you did earlier, wouldnt I just say "so I guess its ok if the government does it right." But that doesnt get anyone anywhere. As to the original point, the practice of slavery or forced labor is alive and well, throughout the world, mostly because profit can be derived from it whether its state agencies, capitalists or criminals (not mutually exclusive groups).
Again I didn’t say that. You can stretch all you want. It’s not the same. Keep talking in circles. It’s fine.
Congrats You got me. You wore me down. You sir are the better keyboard warrior. I agreed that the prison system In the USA was forced labor and a sad state of affairs. I agreed it shouldn’t happen. I pointed out other places where we also turn a blind eye. You explained why African slavery wasn’t as bad as US slavery because … reasons… But you got me . Well done. Point to you. But you got me. Well done
I simply explained the differences, you implied that to mean I was "making excuses" or saying it wasnt as bad, or whatever you would like to imagine as some kind of "gotcha." I simply pointed out you were kind of doing the same thing in later posts. I dont think you were trying to excuse anything (and I wasnt either), but its hard to have a discussion if people are going to just say you arent properly denouncing things when you are simply providing facts or distinctions.
Still not a peep about AFRICA...SLAVERY...TODAY... Remember you said some mumble jumble about slavery, perpetuaty, in America, but NOT in Africa???
Quoting myself here: I dont know how we jumped from chattel slaves in the 19th century being enslaved in perpetuity by Europeans of the time instead of temporarily by Africans of the time to "you didnt say slavery still exists in the world today, especially Africa." But I'll refer to the above quote again.
...and dont forget to tell us about China, Cuba, Venerzwayler...and forced labor... You know...communist meccas...forced labor...labor camps...slavery... ... lets hear you on these matters...
You don't recall claiming perpetuity of slavery for the US, and CONTRASTING from the non-perpetual slavery of Africa? Seems slavery still going strong in Africa today, while long ceased in th he US, would be salient to your claims of slavery n perpetuity for the one that discontinued it, vs temporary for the one where its still going strong.
To suggest that the institution was slavery was responsible for the economic development of the US as Nikole Hannah-Jones did in the 1619 Project is absurd. To suggest that slavery played little or no role as the original poster in this thread has suggested is even more absurd.
Yes, I do recall saying that when discussing 18th-19th century chattel slave trade where people were literally legal property, if you recall history though, the US Civil War intervened in the US, and Brazil finally ended chattel slavery in the late 19th century. On the same token, the legal Atlantic slave trade ended before any of that too. I do think forced labor is a form of slavery, but to my knowledge a formal system of legal chattel slavery doesnt exist anywhere anymore.
Quoted from the OP first paragraph While it’dbe unrealistic to say they weren’t a part of the nation’s development, putting them asthe prime constructors of an entire nation islike saying the guy who crafted the axle atthe car factory built your vehicle. He wasdefinitely a part of it, but he hardly gets totake full credit. Not sure that’s what he said..
Whether I agree with the OP or not, I disagree with your type of response. It's this very general type of response from any place on the political spectrum that hinders dialogue. You think he's wrong, then make your point as to why with specifics. To just say "I can believe your POV, you are a White Supremacist" is a big reason, IMO, why this vicious cycle occurs. This is potentially a start of an enlightening debate, but label away.
Yeah. It may not have been the intent of the OP, but the article is very consistent with the talking points used by White Nationalists. They are obsessed with making sure White men get the credit for nearly everything positive that's ever happened. One problem they're currently having is that even many women who are White Nationalists are starting to push back on the misogyny. It's almost like those women are half way to figuring it out.
The way I read the original post was that while acknowledging that slavery may have played a role in the economic development of the US, it wasn't a significant role. While it played a much less significant role outside of the South, the institution of slavery was almost entirely responsible for the economy of the agrarian Southern states.
To be fair, the OP is definitely something white supremacists do argue, and people who argue things in bad faith want discussion (see the viruses arent real thread lol), so you can play into their hands by providing it, especially since they are usually equipped with certain arguments that can exploit lack of deep knowledge or the failings of not teaching people anything in school
