Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,582
    1,148
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    “Economic sanctions are a marathon, not a sprint, and Russia and Russians will continue to be punished.”

    Ah, so we are waging war on the Russian people. We need to stop calling them sanctions and start calling it what it actually is; economic terrorism. From Afghanistan to Cuba, Syria to Iran and Yemen the US punishes people everyday for not aligning with its interests yet claims moral righteousness and that it values human life.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2023
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  2. PITBOSS

    PITBOSS GC Hall of Fame

    7,422
    747
    558
    Apr 13, 2007
    A good article from former US soldier who served on the Abrams….

    “I didn't even have a car driver's license yet but here I was about to drive a 60 ton tank around a carefully planned course.

    I remember that the tank didn't feel at all cumbersome or slow. It jumped at the twist of your wrist, and turned nimbly at the slightest input of the t-bar steering column. The driver's seat is amazingly comfortable.

    Tactically, compared to even the most modern Russian T-90 tank (which is a substantial upgrade of a T-72 but still basically an older design with lots of foreign tech installed) an old M1 Abrams will be a revelation. Logistically, however, it may be more than a war ravaged country, fighting against a numerically superior force, can handle.

    In my personal opinion, the small number of M1s sent to Ukraine are more symbolic than anything. …..It does however lead the way for other countries to provide their own tanks”

    "I served on U.S. Army Abrams tanks—giving them to Ukraine is risky"
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    8,652
    2,007
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    Recommend we delete this post. It sets a bad precedent. I’m not 100% positive my old lady would not have me rubbed out for the guarantee of a fur coat.
     
    • Funny Funny x 5
  4. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,084
    13,175
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    Perhaps they are given the choice between a fur coat and a balcony ;)
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  5. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,582
    1,148
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Russian balcony deaths need to get a move-on to approach Clinton List numbers.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  6. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    10,720
    2,408
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    So?
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Best Post Ever Best Post Ever x 1
  7. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,582
    1,148
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Don’t think that Russia doesn’t know this is what it’s up against. One of the primary reasons why your neocons are flummoxed by Putin’s popularity and Russia’s social cohesion.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  8. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    24,383
    2,498
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    Putin's "popularity" is largely based on fear.
     
  9. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,582
    1,148
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Sheer projection.
     
  10. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    24,383
    2,498
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    I'd rather have to drive a Lada or be stuck with an I-Phone 10 than have my home bombed or my wife, sister and daughter raped by Russian war criminals.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    10,720
    2,408
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    Again I ask, why do I give a shit what Russia thinks? We should squeeze them economically until we like what they are doing or we keep squeezing.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  12. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,582
    1,148
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Zelensky eventually fired his cabinet member who propounded the Russian mass-rape narrative. Apparently, some lies were too outlandish even for the Zelensky regime.
     
  13. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    15,582
    1,148
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Who is the squeezer and who are the squeezed ?

    US-Laid Trap for Russia Has Trapped West Instead
     
  14. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    10,720
    2,408
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  15. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,084
    13,175
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    • Winner Winner x 4
  16. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    8,652
    2,007
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    While I agree with sanctions — as many as you can imagine — as part of a whole-of-government approach to defeating Russia, I truly dread that Ukraine does not have the time it will take for economic measures to be decisive. You and I both want to squeeze Russia. Where we might disagree is the amount of force to apply to that squeeze if we actually want Ukraine to win, not to just feel partially morally justified that we did not do nothing.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    12,767
    1,714
    3,068
    Jan 6, 2009
    I had to go back and read Chem’s post first in order to understand what you actually meant by “rubbed out”.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  18. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    8,652
    2,007
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    I suppose that could go either way. So far I’ve come down on the winning side of that expression only. But it’s just a matter of time, isn’t it?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  19. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,280
    1,833
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    When is the last time you were in Moscow, comrade?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1