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How China's Military Views the United States

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. wgbgator

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    I see this thread has become a one stop shop for anti-Chinese sentiment
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    Shouldn’t we hate China for aligning with Russia ?
     
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  4. chemgator

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    You are welcome to post any news article about China doing something positive for the world. I don't think it's been the U.S. that has turned China into an adversary. We basically built China into the industrial powerhouse that they are today, providing financing and technology in the 1990's. They could have continued on a path to being an economic world power and trusted trading partner. They have decided to use their great wealth to modernize their military and threaten their neighbors with it. They have unsettled scores they feel a need to address through intimidation and possibly warfare that are more important than providing a better life for their own citizens and making the world a better and more sustainable place for all of humanity.

    Once again, I like the Chinese people. I have spent over half a year of my life working in China. I have some good friends there. I just don't think that the current administration in China can be trusted, and I think that Xi Jingping has put them on a trajectory towards a war that the U.S. will wind up being involved in. And with a country as large and populous as China, it is a good idea to keep up with what they are doing, and what they are thinking.
     
  5. chemgator

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    Biden is afraid to take military action on the balloon because it might fall on someone's house. It's over Montana, for crying out loud. I would be more worried it might take a month to find it. Grow a set and put a couple holes in it and bring it down and have a look at it, and process any people flying it.

    Large Chinese reconnaissance balloon spotted over the US, officials say (yahoo.com)

    Sounds like they did nothing. How do you stop a balloon from taking pictures? Fly a bigger balloon underneath it? Spray polyurethane foam on the underside of the balloon?

    If the U.S. is defeated this easily by a balloon, imagine what actual military hardware might do.
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    This could be applied to our own country, this is my basic problem. The last sentence is especially ironic!
     
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  8. tampagtr

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    BS. There’s no fear of taking action. I’m sure there’s some strategic calculation on some end. May not work, but it’s not fear. World doesn’t work that way.

    Best guess. They were letting it go and tracking the whole system for our own use while ensuring no loss of anything sensitive, and now publicizing for world opinion. Not fear
     
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  10. chemgator

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    The latest in China: towers of pigs. They are building 26-story high-rises for raising pigs. I don't know if containing animals in this kind of housing will prevent all of the contagious animal diseases that China seems to be plagued with.

    China's Bid to Improve Food Production? Giant Towers of Pigs.

     
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    China is preparing for war. America is not.

     
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    then can we please slash 30-50% from the monument to government waste that is our ludicrously huge military? Gonna go with probably not. stupid
     
  13. chemgator

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    Chinese sub got caught tracking Britain's aircraft carrier, and was chased away. Bold move. You would think that Chinese subs would start small, tracking fishing boats and tugboats, and work their way up to an aircraft carrier. But NOOOOO . . .

    HMS Queen Elizabeth chases away Chinese spy submarine

     
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    Another story about Britain and China: Britain has decided to stop foreign aid to China. Apparently they sent 50 million pounds there in 2021. Took them a while to realize that China was spending all its spare change on military platforms, like the submarine that was tracking the British aircraft carrier. And it took them a while to realize that China has an economy much larger than theirs (including a defense budget 4X bigger than the Brits), and the Chinese don't need the money.

    No foreign aid should be sent to China, says development minister

     
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    Chinese Coast Guard ship attacks Philippines ship with a military-grade laser (temporarily blinding the crew) to defend China's ownership of Philippines waters. They were preventing the Philippines from re-supplying people on an island that China claims as their own. Add it to the nearly 200 diplomatic protests that the Philippines lodged against China last year.

    Philippines says China ship used laser against coast guard

     
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    I am through four and a half episodes of this podcast. Extremely disturbing. It's not necessarily about Chinese practices but they seem to be the major malefactor identified in almost every episode, including rampant crime at sea, including running over smaller boats deliberately and murdering those that are in the water, effective slavery for those that sign on to work on the boat and can never get off until they collapse or die, and overfishing all over the world. Really disturbing. I thought I was already familiar with this issue, but this really seems to hammer it home.

    That said, it looks like others have noted the same thing that occurred to me. I haven't read Langweische's book in over a decade, but it does seem to cover much of the same ground, with insufficient attribution


     
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  17. GatorFanCF

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    Reading the book The Hundred Year Marathon about China’s goal since 1949 to be the preeminent world power. Just started it but it points out how we’re just now taking them seriously. The “experts” we all quote and State Department officials missed the boat.
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    China just racing past us militarily. But we still have fighter jets that can shoot down weather balloons. Although it takes them a couple of tries sometimes.
     
  19. chemgator

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    Apple is looking to move manufacturing out of China, and into Vietnam.

    Apple wants to move its manufacturing out of China

     
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    From one war to another ?


    Relations with China have entered dangerous waters. Instead of trying to find a diplomatic solution to lessen the heightened tensions, the Biden Administration is doubling down on projecting an aggressive posture:

    The Pentagon’s top China official is to visit Taiwan in the coming days, a rare trip to the island by a senior US defence policymaker that comes as relations between Washington and Beijing are mired in crisis over a suspected Chinese spy balloon shot down two weeks ago.

    Michael Chase, deputy assistant secretary of defence for China, will go to Taiwan in the coming days, according to four people familiar with his trip. He is currently in Mongolia for discussions with the country’s military.

    Chase would be the first senior defence official to visit Taiwan since Heino Klinck, deputy assistant secretary for east Asia, went in 2019. At the time, he was the most senior Pentagon official to visit the island in four decades.

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