People (at least me anyways) are using culture to mean "institutional culture," and that can certainly create the conditions for people to act and also create the conditions in which people are afraid to speak out against it. But its not like the other people in the unit are being charged with crimes, the people that did it are being charged, so I dont see how the idea that individual actions somehow don't matter is a concern here either.
It’s funny because no one questioned how abusive white police officers get hired when they kill black people, this is the latest righty tactic to deflect blame back to affirmative action aka blame the libs. Nah blame the corrupt ass police culture that folks have been trying to say needed to be changed but you and the rest of your #AllLivesMatter ilk was too busy worshipping.
That’s funny, whenever there’s a shooting involving gangbangers in Chicago the first thing a certain contingent does is blame certain parts of the culture in the black community. Now that it involves police it suddenly becomes “Don’t blame the culture, blame the individuals” LOLL
Coop Is it the culture or not? I am confused. You blame police culture in one post and then ridicule those who point to gangbang culture in another. I think I have been very consistent in blaming the individual who acts in an unlawful way. I don’t care what your culture, what your social standing. Right and wrong don’t change. The fact that an individual (adult) is expected to know right from wrong doesn’t change. Do we need to address issues that arise from certain cumtures, do we need to address that certain types of people are drawn to certain types of cumtures? Do we need to address that certain cumtures are toxic to those living in them and around them? Yes. But the ultimate, final responsibility lies on the individual. And that is a simple truth whether you are black or white or brown. I also think I have mentioned that the Memphis PD is likely toxic from top to bottom due to the past issues the Chief has from time in Atlanta PD. Someone let these individuals be police officers. Someone let them keep their jobs after several had past reprimands and issues. Someone allowed these individual to be placed in lower and given a gun and badge. Lots of blame to be shared here. Top to bottom. I don’t see anyone shying away from that. All I’m saying is let’s look at the individuals who are to blame not some undefined, nebulous culture that can’t be held responsible.
Can you give more details and or insight? I haven’t read about the scorpion unit dehumanizing Nichols. I have no doubt it could have happened and I’m not arguing just have t seen it. Can you post a link about it?
well for many they see a chance t wut? You looked at the video of his murder and you didn’t find it dehumanizing? Seek help.
Actuallly several People have questioned how white police officers get hired when they act like animals. You can try all you want to make this a race issue.. it isn’t. When police.. or anyone in power … abuses that power the same questions get brought up. When Derek Chauvin went on trial the exact same thing was asked. How did this guy get to be a cop. How did he get to keep his job? When Rodney King bearing was filmed the same questions got brought up. When we lower our standards we get lowered results. I am not blaming affirmative action. That doesn’t apply here. As far as folks of my ilk… Pretty sure I have been saying … along with many others like me.. that we need to pour more money into our police departments. We need to pay better. Have higher standards of who gets hired. Psych Evals. Others have been screaming defund the police. Whole movements based on stripping the police of funding. Marches for defund the police… but now you want to act like that was not really a thing? You want to blame me and people of my ilk? Come on man.
Culture may be the wrong word in order for you to understand what is meant. How about “atmosphere” or “expectations”? Or how about “peer pressure”? That puts emphasis on the extent to which aspirational “right” and “wrong” are compromised by the organization to which one belongs. You see right and wrong as black and white, but virtually nothing is. Life is nuanced. For every one of your categorical right, or wrong, there are many exceptions. It seems many police departments have an atmosphere and expectations which put immense pressure on the officers. In fact, I know that to be the case. That needs to change. But, man, resistance is fierce, and it is difficult. I just read your post 349. I can’t disagree more with your assertion that race plays no role in police brutality. In fact, I’m shocked you make such an assertion.
I'm not shocked at all, there's a fundamental difference in the way some people view police brutality/race in America that no amount of discussion will solve.
Bringing up "defend the police" and others bringing up "liberal leadership in Memphis" is deflecting from the actions of these cops. Fact of the matter is some folks have been saying that there is a SERIOUS police problem in America, and another group has been gaslighting them and saying no there isn't.
Absolutely found it dehumanizing. Dehumanizing by five police acting like animals. I am asking for reference the the scorpion task force picking out the victim and dehumanizing him. The reference was made that specifically the scorpion task forces dehumanized him and that is what led to the action of the five cops…
I am not making the assertion that race plays no role in police brutality. I am making the assertion that race plays no role in blaming the individuals who commit the brutality. I’m so not care if they are black or white … if they are committing brutality against another individual they should be held accountable. Not some nebulous culture. I agree with much of your post. Peer pressure, expectations all play a role in how one acts. BUT in the end it falls on that individual. That has been my part from start to finish. Some here want to shift the narrative away from these five cops who beat and murdered man. They want to focus and blame “police culture”. I have not defended police cultures . I have agreed that certain cultures are problematic and toxic across many races and institutions. But I will not agree that any culture, expectation, peer pressure, should be blamed for the actions of these individuals.
Who has said we don’t have a police issue? Not me. I have always a said we made a huge problem when we militarized our police force. I have agreed from the start that we need to restructure and refocus our police departments. I have also been against defund the police from the beginning. Dude.. the whole time I have been saying to focus on these cops. You and others have been bringing up police culture as the culprit. Can you pick a lane and stay in it. You bounce around so much. Is it the culture or these individuals. Should we defund the police or give them more funding so they can improve. Should we hold cops to a higher standard or a lower standard? Your posting history in just this thread is very confusing.
Generally speaking, I agree we should always strive to do the right thing and expect to be held accountable if we do the wrong thing which negatively affects others. We have the same moral code. We may just see race relations differently. Blacks have had a raw deal in America, and still do. You probably agree with that.
The stopped him for what appears to be a bullshit stop and dehumanized him while killing him. It seems a difficult concept for you to grasp.
I have not been insulting to a single person in this thread Why the insult? The entire scorpion task force didn’t stop him. I’m asking for evidence that the task force.. as a whole.. set out to get him. These five men attacked and beat and dehumanized him. Did they do it at the behest if the task force? Did the task force send them out to murder him? Maybe. I’ve asked for evidence linking that.
It’s Wut? Where’s the insult? Who’s saying the entire task force as a whole dehumanized him? I don’t engage in conversations with people making strawman arguments but feel free to carry on with out me.
