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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    An article that explains why Russian tanks are inferior to western models. The T-14 Armata is supposedly Russia's most advanced tank, but it is unreliable. Russia even went back to fielding T-72 and T-80 tanks versus building more T-14's. Also, Russia is committed to a 3-man tank with an autoloader. They fire once every ten seconds. Western tanks with a manual loader can fire every 3.5-4.0 seconds. Russia's logistics for repairing tanks and keeping them in battle is also poor.

    Coffee or Die Magazine | Meet Russia’s Most Advanced Tank (and Why the US Army Isn’t Worried About It)

    The only question is: how well can we train the Ukrainian tankers to operate and maintain the western tanks?
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    Better question: how many days will 30 Abrams last in theatre ?
     
  3. Trickster

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    He has so far.
     
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  4. chemgator

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    What I'm curious about is whether the U.S., Germany, and Britain could sneak their tanks into Ukraine at night, and get them to the front in only one night, and then have a large attack at dawn and catch the Russians totally off-guard. The tanks can go 30-40 mph, right? I think that would cause complete chaos for Russian troops.
     
  5. chemgator

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    They lasted long enough to mop the floor with Saddam's Russian tanks. In other words, they lasted a lot longer than the Russian tanks, with about a 100:1 kill ratio (and in fact, none of the Iraqi tanks were able to take out an Abrams tank; the 30 or so U.S. tanks that were lost were stopped by mechanical and other issues). So the question should be: how many minutes will the Russian tanks last in theatre as targets in a shooting gallery?

    The good news for Russia is that only three tankers will die with every tank round fired into a Russian tank! They are saving one dead tanker by the decision to go with a 10-second mechanical loader! Isn't that great? And the three that do die will go out in a blaze of glory, as Russian tanks store their shells in the same compartment that the tankers cry their eyes out in as they wait for their turn in the shooting gallery! What could be better?
     
  6. exiledgator

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    Love the idea, but don't you want to keep infantry support with the tanks?
     
  7. chemgator

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    Couldn't they keep up in Bradley fighting vehicles (mechanized infantry)?
     
  8. slayerxing

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    Russia has placed mines across a lot of territory is my understanding. So it wouldn't be as simple as just driving straight through.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    Not the Babylon Bee ?
     
  10. uftaipan

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    Well, so says doctrine and history anyway.
     
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    The word around the campfire is that Russia has refused to commit their T14s to this point because of the ease with which Ukraine destroyed T90s, T80s, and T72s. Losing their premier tanks to a second rate group of rebellious Little Russians would provide a serious informational setback, not merely a military one.
     
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    Lol nevermind
     
  14. tampagtr

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    Supposedly the most survivable tank in the world is the Israeli Merkava Mark 4.
    I can't find it now, but I think I read about one instance in which it was defeated by an IED directly underneath that was triggered. But I can't find it now. But otherwise, supposedly they're indestructible, at least from any threat in that environment
     
  15. Trickster

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    Sorry, I don't know the reference. If someone doesn't want to be explicit about what they mean, I don't want to take the time to decipher them.
     
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    Yes I have, last night.
     
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    They’re getting smoked in Yemen.
     
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    It’s an extremely well known satire site, probably more popular than The Onion.