LB Mannie Nunnery (Houston Transfer) Is A Gator

Well said. And you are correct that the above assumes (1) Mertz/Miller are our best option and (2) they are not very good. At this point, I think those are BOTH very reasonable conclusions to make. But either or both could be wrong. My point is that, based on those premises, then I think that will lead to equally disappointing (or worse) seasons both this year AND next year. And, if that happens, no way Napier (who I love) will survive that. Nor should he.

I don't assume this is our fate. I hope either Mertz is a stud in our system OR we find another great transfer QB. But I really don't think that a true freshmen Lagway will come into the SEC to rescue us next year if things are terrible this year. That's a lot to ask of an 18 year old, no matter how talented.

 

Rule A, man. Disparage other teams' players with cute names, not ours.

 

What a totally asinine post. You profess to “love” Napier, but just can’t stop declaring his impending dismissal based upon your DAMN INCESSANT WORST CASE SCENARIOS

JUST STOP DAMMIT

 

Ignore is useful. I just feel I miss out on some of the fun, though.

 

Seems he is expecting the worst so it's hard to see how he could find it "disappointing". I doubt this coaching staff would accept the status quo with our QB situation and seem to be top notch developers/evaluators. I'm optimistic worst case scenarios are extremely unlikely. Shrill gator fans predicting doomsday, very likely.

 

That post was 5 days ago. Why are you resurrecting the discussion? I let it die. Can you?

And I said in the second paragraph that I DO NOT assume that will be our fate. Just that it is a reasonable possibility, given the premises of my argument...which is true. Not nearly the same as "declaring impending dismissal". Ad hominin attacks are always easier than debating actual points in an argument.

I love my Gators. But am a problem solver by profession and by nature. My mind is trained to find what is WRONG in a given situation (and how to possibly fix it). I don't view it as "worst case scenarios", but I do see how it can come across that way sometimes. I promise no one on here is cheering harder for the Gators on Saturdays than I am. And I absolutely love our head coach and hope he is successful here for years to come.

Maybe you are the one who should JUST STOP...being the "negativity police"...DAMNIT. The ignore function works pretty well last I checked. I've never felt a need to use it, but I think you'd probably be happier on here if you didn't need to read "worst case scenarios" like mine above. I think that would be a better option than reporting "constant negativity" to the mods.

And, @ETGator, can you please tell me how the above post isn't a violation of some sort? People get reprimanded for negativity but not for using expletives directed at another poster and telling him his post is asinine...without making a reasonable counterpoint? Making a point, with logic, is inappropriate if it is "constantly" negative. But childishly berating a poster for their post is perfectly acceptable? That's disappointing.

 

I don’t keep a time log on your posts. Don’t know or care about the order in which they were posted. Bottom line, STOP building hypothetical scenarios in which our coach will be fired (“or should be”). You apologize and then go right back to doing it. This isn’t about putting you on ignore while you keep spewing this shit. It contributes nothing to the discussion and it’s destructive whether I ignore you or not.

Plead to the mods all you want about me pushing back on your implied threats to Coach’s career — I’m guessing they aren’t gonna be real supportive.

 

[QUOTE="Skink, post: 14825843, member: 23601"]I don’t keep a time log on your posts. Don’t know or care about the order in which they were posted. Bottom line, STOP building hypothetical scenarios in which our coach will be fired (“or should be”). You apologize and then go right back to doing it. This isn’t about putting you on ignore while you keep spewing this shit. It contributes nothing to the discussion and it’s destructive whether I ignore you or not.

Plead to the mods all you want about me pushing back on your implied threats to Coach’s career — I’m guessing they aren’t gonna be real supportive.[/QUOTE]

There is literally a time and date stamp at the top of each post.

Hyperbole much? Wow. And I'm the one "spewing"?

My "threats" to coach's career? What the heck does that even mean? I'm not the AD, nor am I even a fan/booster calling for his head.

And there are a lot of "destructive" things in this world, almost none of which are on sports message boards. I mentioned a SINGULAR scenario (not "building hypothetical scenarioS") that COULD (not WOULD) lead to coach's premature dismissal. And I followed that up by stating I hoped I was wrong.

To sum up - IF either Miller or Mertz don't have greatly improved play AND if we don't add a QB from the portal who is better, then our odds of a losing season in 23 and 24 are significant. ANY rational poster would agree with that argument, given those premises.

That would create back to back to back losing seasons...which would likely cost BN his job...which I would hate (I don't care if you belive me).

My MAIN point, actually (you got hung up on the BN part) was that it is foolish to expect Lagway to save us as a true freshmen in this league. That's incredibly rare, even from a talent like DJ.

Disagree with my premises. Debate the conclusion of my argument with decorum. That's what message boards are for. But the attacks and berating...you can do better. Come on man.

 

Your words:
"That post was 5 days ago. Why are you resurrecting the discussion? I let it die. Can you?"

You are apparently expecting me to arrange your posts in chronological order before responding, which is ridiculous.

Your next question: My "threats" to coach's career? What the heck does that even mean?
Answer: Every other post of yours paints some scenario in which Coach won't make it past 2 years at UF. You repeatedly state "if this happens", or "if this doesn't happen", 'Napier will lose his job and he would deserve to.' These are implied threats to his position as our head coach. Who in hell are you to be incessantly posting scenarios in which Napier would be fired?

Is it destructive? Damn straight it is. Your silly attempts to play games with the word "destructive" are just being obtuse. Ever heard of the word "context"? In the context of team chemistry, morale, stability in recruiting (you don't think kids and their parents read this message board?), and Napier's authority and effectiveness in the job, the incessant negative input from "fans" relative to Coach Napier is damn sure destructive.

You're not being purposeful in your posts - you continually insert a negative spin on everything that has happened, shit that hasn't happened, and other shit that won't happen, and always follow with how this or that will certainly cost him his job. Not once have you offered a counterpoint to the positive. Not one positive spin.

So in summary, here's my point: The problem isn't me, or Lizardbreath, or the mod ET - the problem is you. You know damn well what you're doing here. STOP

Go Gators

 

The posts are arranged in chronological order on the thread. I don't expect you to arrange anything. That is done for you. The discussion you revived was from almost a week ago.

"EVERY" post of mine does not paint a gloomy or "destructive" scenario. I get the feeling you're an "always" or "never" kind of guy. In this particular thread I had several posts arguing the SAME point (which you are entitled to disagree with). But, again, you are painting with a very broad brush and judging my posting style and my intentions wrongly and from a limited sample size.

I "damn well know what I'm doing here"? Yes, talking about football! Or... you think I here trying to be..."destructive"? Gotcha. Noted.

The ONLY thread that I have suggested anything about CBN's job was this one. I don't "always" follow my points with how such and such will get him fired. I did that literally only on this thread...and it wasn't even my main point, just a peripheral one that we can't wait until Lagway's 2nd year to be successful (too many losing seasons...blah, blah, blah). But apparently you are reading ALL of my posts through the lens of me wanting him canned. That couldn't be further from the truth.

It might be worth noting that even though you have less than twice the number of total posts that I do, you have nearly TEN TIMES the number of negative ratings. So maybe YOU should consider your demeanor and attacking nature on this board. And stop being the self-appointed "negativity police". Forums should be a place to share differing opinions...and that can be done with class. There is no reason to attack and use expletives at those with opinions different from yours. Allow people to make their arguments, even when you disagree. I try to support my points with logic. I think I am very purposeful in my posts. I do not "spew shit" (as you suggested yesterday). You won't see - "this sucks" or "he's an idiot" or "stop being a moron" posts from me. I make arguments to support my thoughts. And you are welcome to disagree...or not even read them at all.

As far as positive spins/points...last week on the thread about our RB commit, I made the argument that our coaches do a great job of keep our committed kids on board and that we've lost almost NONE in two years (in response to posters being concerned about Chauncey's UGA visit). Maybe you didn't see that post or didn't notice because it didn't fit the "always and only bashing Napier" narrative. But you were quick to give me bacon on the thread about Rubio's son when I made a POSITIVE comment that you wrongly read as being sarcastic. That feels a lot like you've judged my posting intentions before even reading the content. That's not helpful.

I've been a GC reader since the mid 90's. And a poster (free and paid boards) for at least 15 years. I love the information we get here and the opportunity to discuss nuances of our program that 99% of fans don't care about. FWIW, you and I AGREE on most of the other threads that we've been on together.

I'll stop this back and forth now. The thread has thoroughly been hijacked. You can respond, get the last word in if you'd like. And I'll take my lumps and be done. If you disagree with something I post in the future, make your argument against it (or don't)...like everything else does. But I would appreciate more argument and less generalized attacking please. I'll continue to do the same. But please stop with the narrative that I'm here to bash Billy and call for his head. It is a straw man argument which isn't true.

 

Maybe take it to DM's at this point gang?

 

There are more than just two possibilities you know. Its ok to assume something in between "not good" and a "stud".

What if both are just average to decent? Cant we still win 8-9 games with solid pieces and execution around them? That certainly would be an improvement and NOT a losing season.

 

That's fair. Average play from either of them (or someone else), combined with a strong running game AND and improved defense could win 8-9 games probably. It was Mischamps formula for success.

 

Muschamp did not have an average offense, his sucked

 

No doubt. I meant average QB play. Which you could argue was not the case either. But he did somehow get us 11 wins and awfully close to playing for the national championship. His defense was other worldly good, though. Right now I'd settle for just a "decent" defense.

 

If we can be top 50 in offense and defense this year I would call that a positive. I don’t know if it’ll get us six wins or nine wins but we will be moving in the right direction