I just asked why you hate white people. So at least you admitted your a liar, which I knew that about you already
There's a correlation between the ugly incident in Memphis and the increasing ugliness on this thread. Cool it, guys.
Yes, the cops who broke the law should be punished for breaking the law. I don't see anything in the analogy subthread we are talking about here suggesting that this isn't what should happen. Protests that turn into riots punish the entire city. Incentivizing future coverups. This should be avoided.
I'm saying that if the police department doesn't handle things the proper way in the wake of shootings, the punishment they'll face is the loss of jobs and/or criminal prosecutions. Riots aren't a punishment or an incentive. They're simply a potential result of officers harming citizens.
Whenever there's a mass shooting or police beating someone to death, you can always count on the usual righty gobbledygook like this to eventually pop up.
You think these five were good hires? Top notch officers? You think lowering the standards for police officers is a good thing? I’m not sure there is or isn’t a direct correlation, but given the issues that have arisen I’m thinking a little more time in the screening process, a little higher standards for who is and isn’t a cop is needed. As for the chief… pretty sure she has some skeletons running around from her time in Atlanta? Right. If so… maybe not hire someone with that on their record. Again… hire better people. Have higher standards across the board.
I believe that there are contractual differences that allowed these guys to be fired immediately. It should be that way everywhere but it isn't
I think these five somehow made it on what was supposed to be an "elite unit." And I think there are a crapload of cops in this country who may have done the same thing if they were in these cops' shoes. Policing is a broken institution imo. The standards for police in this country are already absurdly low when compared to similar countries. Probably part of why (along with the culture that incentivizes cops to see themselves as at war with the communities they're supposed to protect) our cops are so bad at their jobs relative to those other countries. But what does "lowering standards" even mean in this scenario? How were they lowered? Why were they lowered? I am quite confident it isn't because of a lack of funding. And I don't believe for a second it has anything to do with the race of the officers (despite what the racist people will try to claim). We can mostly agree on that. But the entire system needs an overhaul.
If the Florida Gator football program were to hire a bunch of coaches who were incompetent schlubs who weren't fit for the job, fans would (rightly) be blaming the administration for not doing their due diligence with the hiring process. So we can blame the police administration for not doing their due diligence in hiring these scumbags who clearly weren't fit to put on a badge. Folks have been saying there needs to be police reform for a while now, from training to hiring, and a certain contingent has been adamant about pushing back on that.
What do you think putting "more cops on the streets" usually means or entails? Cop is already a job for the dumbest guy you went to HS with in normal circumstances. People act like the hiring pool is fresh with eager Harvard grads or something - "just get the best!" Why do you think bad cops keep getting jobs in other departments?
Kevin Drum covers the myth of "defunding" here - Defund the police? Hardly. - Kevin Drum The data for 2021-22 represents my best estimate put together from a variety of sources. The number of police officers does seem to have been cut back in 2021, but not because of George Floyd. It was due instead to budget tightening as a response to the fiscal squeeze of the pandemic. The feds stepped in shortly after that with assistance to local governments, and police department staffing rebounded in 2022. As for crime, we have a pretty good idea of what happened over the past couple of years: homicides went up and nearly everything else went down a bit. The total number of incidents continued its long-term decline. Bottom line: Crime has plummeted since 1990 but policing hasn't. The number of police officers per crime has more than doubled over the past 30 years.
Bullcrap! Everyone agrees on more funding, better training, better selection. What the push back was on was on Defund the Police And you know it. Don’t try to change the narrative now .YOU absolutely know that the movement was to defund the police and that is where all the pushback came from. Your post is pure bullcrap.
Policing in this country in the hear and now is really difficult, IMO. Culturally and ideologically the USA seems to be in a continuous struggle. I strongly suspect that the iron hand of the law is struggling to deal with police cams, I Phones and all the means of bringing policing to the public view. This is compounded by a steady increase in minority and immigrant population expansion. Minorities and Immigrants have more agency and this agency is reflected in political office. The USA is an evolving entity. The old cultural standards are being challenged. Anyone wonder why Republicans are so desperate to keep the old order in place? Ron DeSantis and his anti history educational agenda? The Supreme Court taking 50 year old rights away? The rise of cultish religious practices and power politics? And of course the constant ideological racial war that millions are engaged in. Then throw on top of that the culture has completely given up on the care and infrastructure of those with mental illness. Letting police handle the mentally ill is a dark blight on all of us and completely unfair to law enforcement.
The police department hired these incompetent murderers and trained them, the fault lies directly on the department and of course on the murderers. That’s just a cold hard fact you’ll have to accept, no matter how upset it gets you.
