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Florida Department of Education rejects AP African American Studies course

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8tas, Jan 19, 2023.

  1. QGator2414

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    It is clear a majority of people want the garbage out of education. Hence the AP course is removing it now and going to send it back for approval. The state of Florida is not trying to remove African American History. And DeSantis will win this issue like he did the Parental Rights issue. The bigger issue that is ignorantly made about this…the bigger the win for DeSantis will be.
     
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  2. gator_lawyer

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    Even if the majority do agree, the majority in Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, etc. agreed with segregation 60 years ago. I couldn't give a rat's ass what a bunch of bigots think, even if they are in the majority here.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    Typical response from a petulant child. Ignorant name calling.
     
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  4. BigCypressGator1981

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    Does you calling him a “petulant child” qualify as ignorant name calling?
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    Ignorantly calling a large group of people you disagree with “bigots” is exactly what a petulant child would do. It is calling a spade a spade.
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    Ignorantly calling people you disagree with a petulant child is exactly what a petulant child would do. Just calling a spade a spade here.

    See the issue here?
     
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  7. swampbabe

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    FYI, the final pilot framework for this course will be released on February 1.
     
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  8. mrhansduck

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    Right. Same for Biden, too, I'm sure.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    No issue to see here other than your ignorance and thinking you did something…
     
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  10. mdgator05

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    Of course, a petulant child would think that their name calling was okay but others calling people a name makes them petulant children. Petulant children that think like that have no capacity for self-reflection.
     
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  11. gator_lawyer

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  12. PetrolGator

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    This all reminds me of when the state of Oklahoma refused to include any mentions of the Tulsa Race Massacre in their curriculum as to not make white kids feel guilty. It blows my mind that I had to learn of one of the most abhorrent events in my home state from a freaking HBO superhero show. Oklahoma teachers didn't even have instructions to include the event until 2002, when introduction was sketchy, at best. Thankfully for young, fragile minds, Governor Kevin Stitt just signed a similar DeSantis law that bars topics that force students "feel discomfort, guilt, anguish or any other form of psychological distress" because of their race or gender. Some schools are already removing mention of the 1921 event from their lesson plans for fear of reprisal.

    Also:

    1) I'm not sure lawmakers are considering the precedent created here or potential objections to almost anything taught in schools by this definition. Christian Scientist? Well, learning viruses and bacteria cause disease is a no-no.

    2) Learning about horrible events in history is a method we utilize to keep it from happening again.

    3) Education isn't designed to keep you comfortable. Learning is difficult and coddling people because reality can suck does them no service. Understanding the United States' history, both the good and bad, makes us a better nation. The irony of the far right calling others "snowflakes" while pushing this legislation is not so amusingly ironic.

    Oh. We also did a "land run" in elementary school on a large back tract of land. Several parents of Indigenous kids objected much to the mockery of most of the rest of PTA. Mind you, we were taught that the Oklahoma land grab was this swell event where the United States finally "civilized" the former territory. The practice didn't end until the early 2000's.
     
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  13. defensewinschampionships

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    I'd be interested to see what is in it. Also, babe, does this AP course replace a history credit, or would it specifically replace an African American history credit, should the student pass the exam?
     
  14. swampbabe

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    Actually, I believe it would count as social studies elective at the high school level as it’s not really a history class. I assume that it would also count as an elective credit at the university level.
     
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    Here is the original course I think I read somewhere that the sticking points were all in Unit 4

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23584340/ap-afam-syllabus-watermark.pdf


    Here is also what courses in African American History are required or not allowed per the State of Florida


    African American History
     
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  18. swampbabe

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    Again, the final framework will not be out until 2/1. I suspect that there was tweaking of the framework, as I stated earlier.

    In addition, African American History and African American Studies are not the same thing.
     
  19. tampagtr

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    Very instructive, although not to my reading it all something justifying the state's actions. I saw nothing problematic in section 4 at pages 23 to 27. I was going to cut and paste but I don't know how that fits in with the four paragraph rule. By its definition, refers to "movements and debates". It is describing various debates and movements about the African American experience in the United States. I think the state's true intent is especially illustrated by your other link about acceptable African-American history


    The following is in the required instruction statute, s. 1003.42(2)(h), F.S.
    • The history of African Americans, including:
      • the history of African peoples before the political conflicts that led to the development of slavery;
      • the passage to America;
      • the enslavement experience;
      • abolition; and
      • the history and contributions of Americans of the African diaspora to society.
    In other words, African-American history stopped in the United States at abolition with the passage of the 13th amendment. The terror of Reconstruction, Jim Crow, the lynchings and the Civil Rights movement. All of that is surplusage, unnecessary to be taught, and potentially subject to indoctrination. Debates about a very simple description of some of the movements should not be covered in Florida public schools. It's simple erasure of history, with the intent to perpetuate the current caste system
     
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  20. swampbabe

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    You're conflating two different subjects, African American History (which is already taught as an elective) and AP African American Studies.