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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. mdgator05

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    Well that is just false. The Kyiv offensive of 2022 definitely occurred. It failed and they were forced to withdraw amidst substantial soldier losses and a lack of continued progress.


    It wasn't a "show of force." They took cities in Kyiv oblast. They then handed it back as they got bogged down and lost soldiers. Retreats are, surprisingly, not effective shows of force.

    Wow, can you point to the countries that the US forced to join NATO? Or did every new country request membership themselves?
     
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  2. carpeveritas

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    All of those troops that were there were they destroyed? I think not. Putin took the softer approach with Kyiv rather than annihilating the town and everyone in it.
     
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  3. BLING

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    Ah yes, not annihilating a city of 3 million. That Putin is a helluva reasonable guy.
     
  4. PITBOSS

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    Yep. It’s bizarre some back Putin and justify his war crimes and also pull against the US/west.
     
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  5. duggers_dad

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    The Myth of the Battle of Kyiv just won’t die.
     
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  7. Gatorhead

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    I hope this turns a few Trump supporters when he shows his cards for what type of people and regimes he aligns with.
     
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  9. BLING

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    It won’t. If anything it probably peels off some conservative support of Ukraine, as it’s absolutely designed to do.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    Because we care so much about Ukrainians we must fight Russia to the last dead Ukrainian!
     
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    Tankies are weird creatures
     
  13. chemgator

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    Excellent work, Comrade Slipknot. You must have had help from your assistant, Comrade Forgetmeknot.
     
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  14. chemgator

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    Exactly. The myth that Putin would send an army to the outskirts of Kiev to do a song and dance routine that was supposed to cause Kiev to surrender. Clearly the most imbecilic military action in modern history. There was no encirclement of Kiev. There was no siege of the city. Those are two tried and true methods that militaries throughout history have done to cause cities to surrender without a fight. Maybe Russia lost those pages in their war instructions tutorial book, Invasions for Dummies.

    I have to give Russia some credit for creativity--they are the first nation in history to try the song-and-dance routine to get a city to surrender. Maybe it will get a chapter in the followup tutorial, Invasions for Imbeciles.
     
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  15. chemgator

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    Breaking news: there are now reports that a Turkish ship in the Black Sea has been hit by a Russian missile. Things may be about to heat up.

    Russian missile hits Turkish ship in Kherson on Tuesday (yahoo.com)

     
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  16. sammitchell

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    Do you think it will be done? I don't think so, at least not this year.
    But I thought that sending tanks is impossible, and I was wrong
     
  17. chemgator

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    Poland will send 60 Polish-made tanks to Ukraine., almost matching the total from the U.S., Germany and Britain, in addition to the 14 Leopards that it has already committed to the fight. Poland's tanks are modernized versions of the Russian T-72 tanks, so they will likely not be as effective as the Leopards and other donated tanks.

    President's Office: Poland to deliver 60 modernized tanks to Ukraine (yahoo.com)

     
  18. chemgator

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    An interesting article on the Abrams tank versus the T-72: Several Abrams tanks in Gulf War I had taken direct frontal strikes from T-72 tanks, and were barely scratched.

    This is the M1 Abrams, the powerful American main battle tank the US is sending to Ukraine (yahoo.com)

    This explains why the Russians are so terrified of the Abrams tanks. I wouldn't want to be a Russian tanker once the western tanks arrive on the battlefield.
     
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  19. exiledgator

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    There's a certain quality to quantity.
     
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  20. Gatorhead

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    it is being reported (Morocco - no thats not a misquote) is sending around 180 armored vehicles (about 1/2 are already in Ukraine).

    Ukraine is requesting between 300 - 400 MBT's.
    USA, Germany, Poland, Britian, amongst others are sending various MBT's.

    I feel sorry for the Ukranian mechanics in charge of keeping all these differenty "types" in service and maintained.
    I wonder if the general public understands that sending a "tank" is hardly the real issue. It's not just the tank. It's the parts, maintenance and ammunition that keep those tanks working.

    It seems that aircraft such as the F16 variant are now being strongly considered by NATO as another addition to Ukranian air power.

    The build up for spring is developing rapidly. A huge clash of arms that will escalate the conflict is coming this late winter or early spring. It may very well decide the contest. I hope that NATO understands how imperative it is to get systems in place prior to the Russian offensive.