Did I state we should be isolationists? Not that I recall nor am I calling for such trade with other nations will still move forward. What I have written is we have no reason to be involved in this war. None what so ever. You already have NATO nations arm them to the teeth if you wish. Other than that stay out of it.
The appeasement would be between Ukraine and Russia and has nothing to do with the US. Since when has the heavy boot of the US worked?
So, Chamberlain claiming “peace in our time” was just surplusage, and not appeasement as it has categorically been written, because it wasn’t English land being taken?
How many times do I have to state this war is not WW II nor does it have the genocide of scale that was unfathomable.
The one good thing about the threat from house republicans to shut off the spigot that it seems to be prompting a bit more urgency in Europe to step up their baud level.
The Holocaust accounted for less than 10 percent of those killed in WW2. You don’t need a genocide for a cataclysm.
You can say it as much as you want but how do you know it. Saying doesn’t make it true. The Russians are indiscriminately bombing civilians. They are not equipping and training their own soldiers with anything resembling professionalism. They rape women and they are exporting children back to Russia. Yea they aren’t exterminating a minority but it’s pretty sickening on its own.
You are right but you got it backwards. Ukrainians are not training and equipping their own soldiers. As for kidnapping children and taking them to Russia I seem to recall it was Russia that formalized it's international adoption policies in 1991. Then came the whole ordeal concerning the Magnitsky Act in 2012 baring American families from adopting Russian children. Tell me why Russia would take children from Ukrainian families. One thing for certain is atrocious acts are committed during war of which there is no moral high ground for anyone to claim on either side of the conflict. Indiscriminately bombing citizens? From what I can tell at this point one of Russia's goals is to take out Ukrainian communications and power generation facilities. This is the nothing new when it comes to tactical targets during war. Call it indiscriminate if that suits your fancy but from a military point of view including our own military these are and will continue to be high value targets regardless of civilian inhabitants. What is being reported concerning civilian causalities even from Ukrainian reporting has been one or two or no civilian deaths during bombing attacks. That doesn't mean that at times crap doesn't hit the fan on both sides of this war. We certainly know a significant number of people have been displaced but to say it is indiscriminate seems far fetched to me.
The free world that includes free trade that the us and the west have created cannot exists successfully in a world with expanding authoritarianism. The two systems are mutually exclusive. Failure to recognize that is a failure of the basic understanding of the system we live in. Also a lack of historical perspective. Not just from the 20th but also a failure to see how an oligarchy ultimately destroyed the worlds first free society in Ancient Greece.
I suggest you take another tack - How about providing your "justifications" for the Russian invasion in a few paragraphs.
Cape never responds to my assertion that the principal power players in the world - USA and the Russian Federation, (Not including China in this post) have essentially been vying for world political and military dominance since................ Tehran meeting (1943) between the big 3. For me the line connecting the dots could not be clearer and proven as such by world historical events. My opinion of course.
You keep conveniently forgetting Russia’s threats to other countries, such as Moldova, to expand its territories. Russia’s threats of expansion were so dire that two neutral countries, Finland and Sweden, had no choice but to run to NATO. Appease Russia, and sit silent while Russia usurps Ukraine, and the expansion continues … just like Germany in the 1930’s.
This is the kind of logic that boggles my mind. I don't have to justify Russia's actions Putin does. I'm not taking another tact as for the justification perhaps we should have listened to Putin and his justifications for invading Ukraine. He gave warning time and again and those warnings were never addressed. Instead NATO under US direction chose to poke the bear. Why is that? I've justified my actions and disagreement concerning US involvement from the very beginning of this thread and I know it raises hackles with many on this board. None the less no one on this board has produced an argument that has convinced me we have a dog in this fight. My life is not going to change on iota concerning the outcome of this war. I'm not going to rest any easier, I'm not going to be any wealthier and I'm not going to lose my freedoms. In short their isn't a single average American citizen that will benefit from this war one way or the other. I will admit those that supply the beans, bullets and band-aids will certainly benefit but compared to the population of the US those people are but a handful. In the meantime the populace will continue to pay for a war of borrowing and spending their hard earned dollars that yields no benefits to them in the long run.
I wonder if Cape and Duggars dad call the results of this military action as being successful? Year in - Russia is doing more retreating than advancing Russian Dead - Reported to be between 60K and 100K Finland and Sweden - Attempting to join NATO Yes-Sir / Damn brilliant politicking by Czar Putin. Keep it up Czar, keep it up.
And what is China if not totalitarianism? Seems to me free trade existed with China and Russia before this war began.
Fair enough the ole agree to disagree. Much of what you say regarding personal effects may or may not be true. Try existing when the means of production cease and you are breathing a few hundred millirands a second. We will see if your arguments change should the czar launch first.
An oversimplification. Look into the 70's and tell me how much "free trading" was going on among these nations.
