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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. BigCypressGator1981

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    The buzzword is clear. You’re welcome to ignore the buzzword all you want. Don’t fall for the buzzword. Derp derp derp.

    He keeps going and going and going and going…
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    Apparently the only thing the vaccine stops is your heart.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    No doubt we have caused generational damage to public health!
     
  4. BigCypressGator1981

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    Sure thing, Qbot.
     
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  5. dangolegators

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    Apparently he learned the term 'safety signal' on Jan 7 2023. A quick search shows that was his first usage of it. He must have read some right-wing anti-vax article that used the term that day. He's used it a lot since.
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    I had safety concerns far before that…
     
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  7. HeyItsMe

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    Thankfully we have your expertise in epidemiology to rely on. Oh, wait… next you’ll tell me how I’m a shill and listen to propaganda for trusting actual experts and data over right wing talking points.
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    Epidemiology is a social science.
     
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  9. AzCatFan

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    Trials are smaller scale runs used to test an hypothesis. Currently, with the vaccine, we are running a full scale, global test, with over 12 billion jabs given in about two years. No trial is ever going to show better, more accurate results that what we are seeing right now with the full scale implement.

    And what do we know so far? For the vaccines given in the US, the J&J vaccine can cause blot clots in women ages between 16 and 35. Sadly, a few women did die because of this side effect. The J&J vaccine isn't an mRNA vaccine, and the mRNA vaccines have not shown this side effect to be present. As a result of the J&J side effect, and the fact that the US had enough mRNA vaccines to cover everyone, the J&J vaccine was pulled from the US completely.

    The mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) can cause myocarditis within about 14 days of a jab. Highest risk group is boys ages 12 through 25, and myocarditis is more prevalent after a second booster shot. Cases of myocarditis from the jab is almost always mild, and the number of hospitalizations are very small, and deaths attributed to myocarditis from the shot at 1 I believe. The risk of getting myocarditis from COVID is higher than the risk of getting it from the shot, as is the severity of getting myocarditis from COVID. There have been thousands of MIS-C cases, a complication from getting myocarditis from COVID, that have resulted in hospitalization, and hundreds of deaths.

    The data is out there. Again, and entire country of 66 million people (United Kingdom), tracked deaths by cause and found that statistically, among the vaccinated and unvaccinated, for non-COVID related causes, there is no difference. No higher rate of heart attacks among the vaccinated. What they did find, however, that is that COVID related deaths, per group, is higher among the unvaccinated group.

    This doesn't stop the misinformation crew from spouting their ignorance, however. And for someone who may not know better, it sounds informed and scary. That's because the misinformation crew takes a kernel of truth, mixes it with some anecdotal evidence, uses buzzwords and phrases like "safety concerns," and weaves a pretty convincing tale of woe. For example, the kernel of truth is the vaccine can cause myocarditis. The anecdotal evidence is an athlete with a cardiac arrest on the field, and then throw in the buzzwords, and it makes for a good story.

    But the actual data is what should drive the narrative. And the story the data is telling is again, no difference in non-COVID related deaths between the unvaccinated and vaccinated. All those "athletes" dropping dead? Not happening at any rate higher than it was occurring before, and we can easily compare this, because we have a recent, 2016 study done, pre-COVID, showing rates for the previous 20 years.

    Now, should the data start to tell a different story, then I would start to worry. But currently, the data should speak loud and clear. And the chances of a vaccine having long term effects long after it has left the body? Highly unlikely.
     
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  10. HeyItsMe

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    Cat coming with the receipts and knowledge once again. Don’t worry, though, surely this will get spun by the loons.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Loon - a person believes that there are trillions of microbes on, in and around us ... but that one rogue microbe is going to get us!
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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  14. AzCatFan

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    Fact checking another "died suddenly" claim. As expected, the claim is false. From the article:

    It is unclear whether the 118,000 figure is accurate as CDC data is constantly being updated, Miguel Gorman, a spokesperson for the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, told USA TODAY. But as of Jan. 4, there were nearly 124,000 excess deaths in the 0-44 age range between December 2020 and October 2022, he said.

    The article's analysis linking the deaths to the vaccine, however, is wrong, Kelly said.

    “The excess deaths are largely explained by increases in COVID-19 mortality and other leading causes of death associated either directly or indirectly with the pandemic,” Kelly said. “Other leading causes of death for which we see excess deaths include influenza and pneumonia, circulatory diseases, Alzheimer’s disease, and dementia and diabetes.”
    The data tells the story. No need for buzzwords like "safety signals."
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    And of course there is no such thing as Covid. Never isolated. No known samples per hundreds of FOI’s. No unique symptoms. No remarkable autopsies. So if Covid is noy killing young people, what is ?
     
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    What the "loon" and his fellow "loon" Albert Sabin have wrought. By the way the Sabin vaccine is no longer used because it can cause polio in very rare cases.
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  19. studegator

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    I have an interesting story concrrning the J&J vaccine.
    A close aquaintence, 40 year old woman who works for a contract company that does work for the Federal Government, has had just one covid vaccine shot, the J&J one. She has been to the border many times and is constantly tested for covid along with her co-workers. Most of her co-workers have tested positive, some more than once. She has been exposed to covid infected people numerous times. She has not had covid or symptoms even with all the exposure.
     
  20. antny1

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    Tagging something like this as funny is just petty and bizarre. Shows zero interest in discourse but is expected.
     
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