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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. G8trGr8t

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    putin attacked in Crimea and then again in the sepratists areas and then went after Kyiv when his man lost the election. Putin has always wanted to maintain control of Ukraine. He was never backed into a corner, quite the opposite, he was given Crimea and then the west was staying out of the battle with the russian backed separatists. you have a strong russian bias in your view of these events.
     
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  2. uftaipan

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    Ah. Common misunderstanding. The Deutschlandlied is the national anthem of Germany. It was before, during, and after the Nazi period. There were some different stanzas associated specifically with the Nazis that are no longer a part of the current official anthem, but the music is the same. I would say it’s akin to a certain stanza of the Star Spangled Banner that references slavery; most people are not familiar with it, and no one sings it. But it’s still our national anthem.
     
  3. Gatorhead

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    My evaluation of the situation agrees with your perception. While I grant you no geo political situation resulting in armed conflict is "simple" and it is hard work to distinguish right from wrong, I find in stunning how Cape and Duggars Dad continue to throw weight and support behind a clear case of Pan Russian Expansionism by a dictator.

    Russia invaded Crimea and now Eastern Ukraine. That's just a fact. Russia continues to hit civilian infrastructure.

    Russia would lose in front of any international court not full of Russian surrogates.
     
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  4. carpeveritas

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    World war II changed the global boundaries across Europe and the Middle East of that there is no dispute. NATO was born out of this as well. The dispute from Putin's point of view is the involvement of NATO and the US in Ukraine. So lets not be blind to that fact. People are intelligent enough to understand those facts.
     
  5. carpeveritas

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    And the US has always wanted to interfere in Ukraine with weapons and boots on the ground. This is unacceptable to Putin and there is no dispute about that.
     
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  6. VAg8r1

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    Just a question, how many US boots were on the ground in Ukraine prior to Putin's invasion? And with the exception of a relatively small number of Javelin anti-tank missiles and Stinger shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, both of which are strictly defensive in nature, exactly what weapons did the US provide to Ukraine prior to Vlad's "Special Military Operation"?
     
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  7. ajoseph

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    Sure. That’s why he usurped Crimea, started the separatists disruptions in the Donbas, threatened Moldova, and others. All because of NATO, right? Has nothing to do with recreating the Soviet Union(without Communism). Has nothing to do with capturing enormous natural resources held in Ukraine.
    It’s all on NATO because NATO opposes Russian expansionism.

    NATO is nothing more than a word used by Russia to excuse its unlawful expansionist grab.

    NATO didn’t shoot at Russia. NATO didn’t take over Russian land. NATO didn’t even threaten Russia with any colorable threat.
     
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  8. ajoseph

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    Prior to the invasion? Shoot, one year in, how many boots on the ground does THE US have in Ukraine? How many does NATO have on the ground in Ukraine? None, because they did nit start the war and they are not fighting the war.
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    Hundreds of thousands in the visage of Ukrainian troops. Search: proxy war
     
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    Are you one of those crazy MAGA-type election deniers ?
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    He’s stunned, STUNNED that we don’t believe today’s Russia is yesterday’s Soviet Union.
     
  13. sierragator

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    Yep, that lame and inaccurate " look what you made me do" defense that abusers everywhere like to use.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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  15. VAg8r1

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    The strategy of your friend Vlad is rather obvious. First, he will continue murdering Ukrainian civilians in a so far failed attempt to break the will of Ukraine (a strategy that didn't work all that well for Nazi Germany when it was bombing London in World War II) while on the battlefield sacrificing poorly trained Russian soldiers based on the assumption that Ukraine will run out of men before Russia does.
    Moscow’s reliance on human wave tactics is a catastrophe for Russia’s working-age men
    Russian forces launch ‘human wave’ attacks in Ukraine’s Bakhmut: The World War II style of fighting explained
    Putin's troops are cut down in continued WW1-style fighting for the town of Bakhmut | Daily Mail Online
    Ukraine braces for fresh Russian mobilization in spring amid battle over Bakhmut, Soledar
     
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  16. tampagtr

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    Look what's cheap on Amazon Ebooks - just spent my $.99 Fleet.PNG
     
  17. Gatorhead

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    Enjoy the read! One of the more interesting aspects is how far that fleet had to travel to engage the Japanese. By the time it arrived those ships were so under maintained they were explosions ready to happen.
     
  18. Gatorhead

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    My understanding is that other than "Volunteers" no USA or NATO troops are involved. At least in the active shooting part.
     
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  19. tampagtr

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    Looking forward to it although I have tp finish at least these two - over 50% on both and engrossed Furies.PNG earth.PNG
     
  20. uftaipan

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    No need for the quotes. Volunteers are what they are. They have joined the Ukrainian armed forces and are subject to their discipline. They are not “volunteers” in the sense of, say, the People’s Liberation Army that intervened in Korea in late 1950.
     
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