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The unmentionable public policy success of Obamacare

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, Nov 5, 2022.

  1. G8tas

    G8tas GC Hall of Fame

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    You're reaching pretty far on this one. Millions that want coverage now have coverage using pre-Obamacare options. Yet you want to use the "I have a friend" explanation. I don't care if you have 10,000 friends. That's a mere rounding error when you compare it to the 17 million with coverage
     
  2. tampagtr

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    It wouldn’t matter if we tried. This version of the Florida Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it on the ballot, and if it was on the ballot and passed, the legislature would ignore it.
     
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  3. G8tas

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    The Felon Voting Rights comes to mind
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    You’re fixated on my friend for some reason. Especially since his problem is now so widespread. And what are these pre-Obamacare options ? As far as I know, it’s all Obamacare. Or Medicare. The latter of which has wiped out other options for 65+.
     
  5. tampagtr

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    A little OT, but two passages from todays piece on newly elected Pinellas County Commissioner Chris Latvala, long a Florida legislator, shows how lawless their general mindset is, such that he can’t stop even in a new role where it is against the County’s interests


    Latvala’s problem, he said, is with a set of “guiding principles” listed at the top of the document. Those include the first objective on the page: working to maintain the county’s home rule power.

    State lawmakers have long preempted the autonomy of city and county governments by passing laws that supersede local ordinances on subjects including short-term rentals, coronavirus-related restrictions and masking rules. Latvala reminded his colleagues Thursday that he took part in some of those votes.






    Before bringing up home rule, Latvala said he couldn’t get behind another of the guiding principles listed on the county’s legislative program: supporting a fully funded Sadowski Trust Fund. Established by the state in 1992, the fund is supposed to support affordable housing projects across Florida. But lawmakers regularly raided it for other projects, many unrelated to affordable housing, although that practice ended with the passage of a 2021 law.

    While I support the Sadowski Trust Fund, there were times I supported raiding the trust fund because we needed money, instead of raising taxes or whatever,” Latvala said. “The trust funds are where you get money from, especially when you’re in a budget crunch. Because unlike the feds, we have — Florida has to balance the budget.”



    Home Rule, letting local municipalities exercise power over local affairs, is part of the Florida Constitution. Doesn’t matter to the Florida legislature. And he unapologetically admits to raiding trust funds, funds statutorily dedicated for a single purpose, if they need the money.

    They are just lawless as a mindset


    County home rule not among Latvala’s priorities
    County home rule not among Latvala’s priorities - Tampa Bay Times

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  6. rivergator

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    Is that quote more than four paragraphs?
     
  7. tampagtr

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    No. I will fix. The last two italicized are mine. I messed that up.

    check that. It was 5. I cut his quote in the middle. Oh well
     
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  8. 108

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    ACA has reduced the uninsured rate while not increasing costs. That’s a success.

    And the GOP could have done it themselves, as it was originally their own alternative to universal healthcare.

    And yes, healthcare is too expensive. Unfortunately the GOP now has no appetite for reducing costs other than to allow private insurers to sell junk plans.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    has it been tried
     
  10. G8trGr8t

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    unfortuantely writers seem to separate sentences into paragraphs these days. seems like we need no more than 8 sentences as a viable option
     
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  11. citygator

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    True. Especially when it contains a quote they just jam that in its own paragraph.
     
  12. danmanne65

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    Have we finally gotten on top of increasing health costs? My Medicare premium is down a couple of bucks a month this year.
     
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  13. philnotfil

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    If the GOP had stayed out of the way, we probably would have lowered costs from the ACA. But the democrats were bending over backwards to get Republican votes and made a ton of concessions that weakened the ACA for exactly zero Republican votes. Should have just run through the original plan (that the Republicans presented back in the 90s) and not made all the changes.
     
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  14. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Because that’s the right way to do it
     
  15. tampagtr

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    Almost 20% increase, roughly 15% of the population



    Republican legislative leaders and Gov. Ron DeSantis aren’t proponents of the Affordable Care Act. But Florida residents have flocked to HealthCare.gov in droves to enroll in a so-called Obamacare plan.

    More than 3.22 million Florida residents enrolled in an Obamacare plan through the federal health insurance exchange during the 2023 open enrollment period, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). That is significantly higher than the 2.7 million-plus who enrolled in Obamacare during the 2022 Open Enrollment period.




     
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  16. l_boy

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    Some of those changes were also to appease a few moderate Democrats with ties to the insurance, pharma and other such industries.
     
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  17. studegator

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    We need hospital price transparincy and the negotiating of drug prices.
    I know several people that now have health insurance because of Obamacre. It has been a life saver.
     
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  18. tampagtr

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    And bending the cost curve

     
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