I am OK with our program (retrospective; long rant)

I enjoyed the thoughtfulness and the effort of the OP but agree with the sentiment above. I excuse many things from 18-22 year old youngsters. I am more troubled by an apparent lack of a PLAN, as I noted elsewhere, the lack of a TREND throughout the 2022 UF season. I saw and heard little that told me the youngsters were being DIRECTED differently and towards an end state.

I'd say coaches need a chance to turn the ship, but I'd have expected to see a Napier Philosophy, some tent-pole truth around which you could build an expectation of increasing competency. I guess we will wait until next year.... (UF '82, so I know how that phrase is redolent with meaning...)

 

But tge Sunday guys played. If they portaled, they weren’t given the option I guess.

 

Some good players leave every year. That’s just the college game. It takes time to see if holes are filled over time. Can’t have a pattern after a single season.

 

This is my sentiment exactly -- that I had hoped to see some sort of foundation being set, even if the team struggled. But we haven't seen any of that -- we haven't seen examples of culture changes aside from being told the couture is changing. So I'd have liked to see more concrete examples of improvement instead of the constant assurances that Billy is THE MAN.

 

We ran the ball on everyone and had one of our best offensive lines in the last 20 years. If Napier did anything to establish a foundation for his brand of football, it was that.

 

The assurances that I see are the players getting sent out of the program and the very young players seeing the field this year and being some of our best players.

 

There's only one liar here, and it's you. You said we had 6x the amount of transfers, on average, of the other sec teams. This was basically saying that the average for all the other teams was 6 outgoing transfers, and you were saying this average was a number for almost two full classes of transfers because of your weird date range and no class separation, so about 3-4 per class. That's not even close to reality as even GA and AL, who most of this forum wants us to emulate, have significantly higher numbers than that on average. If you are really that clueless, that's on you, but you still chose to double down on it, rather than start over when you had numbers that were at least somewhat close to being accurate. Even the 2x number you later switched to is inaccurate, because you're counting other teams and our team differently.

It was a lie and you knew it was a lie when you posted it because you doubled down on it in your edit admitting the numbers you posted were wrong. On top of that, when you came back with your "corrections" you put every Gator player who has entered the portal on your list to get your "36", but you only counted the number of players on the other teams that have committed or enrolled elsewhere. This was a diliberate misrepresentation, a LIE. If we put the same qualifier, "enrolled or committed", in place that you used for every other team, our number is 23, not 36, and that 23 is being generous because I'm including a few that do not show to be "enrolled or committed". I'm counting them because they did actually leave as they weren't on our roster this year, even though you didn't do that for the other teams you listed in your posts. Another deliberate misrepresentation...another LIE.

They do have 27 "leaving just in this cycle". 12 are committed or enrolled elsewhere.

We have 24 that entered the portal this cycle, 12 committed or enrolled elsewhere

Here's theirs:

1. Adarious Jones 12/22/22
2. Marquis Groves-Killebrew 12/16/22 Committed to Louisville (1)
3. Smoke Bouie 12/14/22
4. Yulkeith Brown 12/14/22
5. Devin Price 12/11/22
6. Chris Marshall 12/07/22 Committed to Ole Miss (2)
7. Ish Harris 12/06/22
8. Ryan Campbell 12/06/22
9. Denver Harris 12/06/22 Committed to LSU(3)
10. Tarian Lee Jr. 12/06/22
11. Andre White Jr. 12/06/22 committed to GT (4)
12. Marcus Burris 12/06/22
13. Donell Harris 12/5/22
14. Josh Moten 12/05/22
15. Dallas Walker IV 12/05/22
16. LJ Johnson 12/05/22 committed to SMU (5)
17. Eli Stowers 12/05/22 committed to NMS (6)
18. Tunmise Adeleye 12/05/22 Committed to MSU (7)
19. PJ Williams 12/05/22
20. Blake Smith 12/05/22
21. Myles Jones 12/05/22
22. Elijah Jeudy 12/05/22 comitted to Neb (8)
23. Haynes King 12/02/22 Committed to GT (9)
24. Brian George 12/01/22 committed to UCF(10)
25. Chase Lane 11/29/22 comittted to GT (11)
26. Caden Davis 11/28/22 committed to ole miss (12)
27. Alan Guerrieri 10/26/22

Here's ours:

1. Tre'Vez Johnson 12/26/22
2. Ethan White 12/26/22
3. Jordan Young 12/24/22
4. Michael Tarquin 12/24/22 committed to SC (1)
5. Chris Thomas 12/09/22
6. Corey Collier 12/09/22 committed to Nebraska (2)
7. Diwun Black 12/08/22
8. Lloyd Summerall 12/08/22 committed to USF (3)
9. Nick Elksnis 12/07/22 committed to SC (4)
10. Kamar Wilcoxson 12/07/22 committed to temple (5)
11. Jalen Lee 12/07/22 committed to LSU (6)
12. Yousef Mugharbil 12/07/22
13. Donovan McMillon 12/07/22 committed to Pitt (7)
14. David Reese 12/07/22
16. Chief Borders 12/07/22 committed to Nebraska (8)
17. Lorenzo Lingard 12/06/22 committed to Akron (9)
18. Daejon Reynolds 12/06/22
19. Avery Helm 12/06/22 Committed to TCU (10)
20. Nay'Quan Wright 12/05/22
21. Griffin McDowell 11/16/22
22. Trent Whittemore 11/16/22
23. Joshua Braun 11/11/22 Committed to ARK (11)
24. Marco Ortiz 10/26/22 Committed to Nebraska (12)



They had 13 enter the portal last cycle, 1 that left in November. 11 enrolled elsewhere, one in November. The other 2 did actually leave though as they were not on this years roster.

We had 15 enter the portal last cycle, one stayed, 11 since December (your weird rules), 10 show as enrolled elsewhere, 8 since December (your weird rules).

Here's theirs:

1. Jahzion Harris 7/28/22 enrolled Rutgers (1)
2. Derick Hunter 4/13/22 enrolled HINDS CC (2)
3. Caleb Chapman 4/11/22 enrolled Oregon (3)
4. Baylor Cupp 3/30/22 enrolled TT (4)
5. Demond Demas 3/29/22
6. Erick Young 1/27/22 enrolled Blinn College (5)
7. Daniel Bushland 1/27/22
8. RJ Orebo 1/25/22 enrolled SIU (6)
9. Darvon Hubbard 1/19/22 enrolled Temple (7)
10. Deondre Jackson 1/7/22 enrolled OSU (8)
11. Zach Calzada 12/13/21 enrolled Auburn (9)
12. Dreyden Norwood 12/13/21 enrolled Mizzou (10)
13. Antonio Doyle 11/05/21 enrolled JSU (11)

Here's ours:


1. Mordecai McDaniel 7/22/22
2. Fenley Graham 6/28/22
3. Demarkcus Bowman 6/22/22 enrolled UCF (1)
4. Carlos Del Rio-Wilson 4/22/22 enrolled Syracuse (2)
5. Lamar Goods 4/11/22
6. Emory Jones 3/19/22 enrolled Arizona (3)
7. Ty'Ron Hopper 1/24/22 enrolled Mizzou (4)
8. Kemore Gamble 1/12/22 enrolled UCF (5)
9. Mohamoud Diabate 1/04/22 enrolled Utah (6)
10. Jacob Copeland 12/09/21 enrolled Maryland (7)
11.Khris Bogle 12/1/21 enrolled MSU (8)
12. Gerald Mincey 11/29/21 enrolled Tenn (9)
Dante Zanders 11/29/21 Stayed at FL
13. Elijah Blades 10/11/21 committed Buff (10)
14. Khamal Ellison 9/1/21

They show to have 13 leave last cycle, 27 leaving this cycle. 22 of those show to be enrolled or committed elsewhere. I counted the two from last cycle that don't show as enrolled elsewhere as transfers because they were not on this years roster, meaning they did actually leave. One of them left in November. You can remove him from the list if it makes you feel better. We're still at 23, not 20.

If we apply the same rules you've applied to all of our competitors, our team only has 12 leaving this year so far (enrolled or committed elsewhere), and 8 last year, 11 if you count the 3 that don't show to be enrolled anywhere but were not on our roster. You did not count these in your numbers for the other teams. So your "36" is actually 20 if we use your date range and your "committed or enrolled" qualifier, 23 if we use your date range, and add in the 3 we know left even though they don't show as enrolled or committed elsewhere.

I originally applied the same rules to TAMU that you are applying to our team. You are counting ALL of our players that have entered the portal, not just those that found a new home. Then I went back and applied your rules that only apply to other teams, and your numbers, using your weird restrictions, are still wrong. You said they've only had 20 between the two classes, or since last December, since we're only counting part of last years class. That number is still incorrect. The number is 24 and the players are listed above, you can call it 23 if you want as one of those 24 entered the portal in November.

Sorry, it's difficult to keep up with your constant moving of the goal posts. You've gone back and changed your posts over and over and over again, and you put arbitrary qualifiers in place for the other teams numbers that you are not applying to our teams numbers.
You've changed the entire premise of the original conversation, which mainly had to do with you doubling down on us having "6x" the amount of transfers of all the other schools. That was an outright lie, and you knew it was a lie when you posted it.

That number is correct. The players are listed above, and I even put numbers next to them for you to make it easy. Also, using your rules, we only have 20 players to count on our team, 23 if you count the 3 from last year who don't show to have found a new home.

Now you're back to only counting this years class again? I thought you were counting DEC-DEC. I said they've had 24 leave since last December. I apologize, the number is actually 23, one of them entered the portal in November. That's using your weird date range and the stipulations you only applied to the other teams. These are your strange stipulations and even you can't keep up with them. They have 27 leaving in the portal this cycle. 12 are committed or enrolled elsewhere. They had 13 leave last cycle, none returned to TAMU, one left in November, so we can't count him for some reason. 23 have "committed or enrolled" elsewhere since last December. Also, using your rules, we only have 20 players to count on our team, 23 if you count the 3 from last year who don't show to have found a new home.

I'm using your date range that includes partial numbers from two separate classes for some stupid reason. They actually had 13 leave last cycle too, so your 8 is, well, wrong again, and only one of the 13 is from November, so we're still at 12, not 8 even using your date range instead of separating the classes. Par for the course.

Your numbers were and still are bad and the correct numbers for TAMU are posted above. I'm not going to do all of your work for you and fix every team, but I think it's safe to assume at least some of the others are wrong too. You have not shown a history of getting these things correct.

You're still not applying the same rules to our team that you are applying to the other teams. You are counting all of our players that have ENTERED the portal, but only counting players on other teams that have ENROLLED or COMMITTED elsewhere. You're trying to make our numbers look worse than they are. You're also doing all of this with a complete lack of understanding of our roster situation, and you're repeatedly showing that you don't understand what's happening. Combining partial numbers from two separate classes shows that you have very little understanding of the topic at hand.

Yea, no shit. Your endless walls of words are tiresome. You think you can just throw words at someone until they go away no matter what you say. That's why most people don't engage in conversation with you.

This entire conversation started based on the fact that you doubled down on numbers that you knew for a fact were incorrect. You get mad that I keep bringing up your "6x" comment, but that's what started this dialogue. You don't get to just act like you never said it. You also don't get to count only the players from other teams that have enrolled or committed elsewhere while you count every player who has entered the portal from our team, whether they've found a new home or not. That's being purposefully deceitful. You also don’t get to call me a liar when I haven’t posting anything that was even close to being purposefully deceitful. I may have been off a digit or two, but I have not done anything even remotely close to what you have repeatedly done in this thread. You have repeatedly lied and purposefully misrepresented the numbers and continue to do so in every post you make.

 

Except for the teams that we didn't.

 

Do you have any information that would lead you to believe no extra effort was made to keep these "better players"?

Unfortunately, our coach doesn't get to match the money that other teams might be willing to spend to lure our players elsewhere. You or your boss, whoever made the decision in the above scenario, had the power to do that themselves.

 

Wait, are we counting the ones who entered the portal, or only the ones who are enrolled or committed elsewhere? If we're only counting those who've found their new home, we only have 7 defensive players leaving, because only 7 are committed elsewhere. That's a really stupid way to look at it, but that's what you've done for all the other schools you listed in this thread. You don't count their entries, only those who have committed or enrolled elsewhere. So, which is it?

 

Weird…..

It gives no context as to what’s happening on those rosters, and that TAMU is losing several top rated players from their alleged 30 million dollar, number 1 class, but it does show they have more than we do, which was one of the points I was making here. It also shows multiple other sec teams that we do not have an average of 6x more players leaving, not even 2x….hmmm

 

I thought you guys were talking about this earlier in this thread. Maybe it was another one.

 

We are. The guy who started this thread said we have an average of 6x more players entering the portal than all of the other sec teams. AFTER the back and fourth began, he changed his stance to 2x, which is still wrong. He’s also vehemently defended the position that TAMU has considerably less leaving than we do. He says they only have 20 leaving since December of ‘21 and only 12 from this class. Looks like I’m not the only one who disagrees with his position.

 

Nanny nanny boo boo

 

Cleverly written, and I feel your pain! To sum it up, yes, we have had the talent to beat most of our opponents. The problem is that the game is not just physical or about talent. To a great degree it's mental, showing up and delivering 100% on the field. Not throwing player's shoes to the 50 yard line; and, yes, that still chafes my chaps. Tulane was not the better team recently, but they played well enough to beat the better team!

 

Yep, they don’t just count the stars and award victory.

 

He could have gone about this completely different. He chose to come at me sideways when I had done nothing but call him on his bs, and it was bs. Then he thought he could run me off by throwing walls of words at me and that he'd be able to say whatever he wants whether its true or not, which it isn’t. I can throw walls of words too, except I don’t need to lie or misrepresent the numbers like he continues to do.

He could have just taken his L, posted his corrections, and moved on. He chose to come at me sideways and act like I was the one misrepresenting the numbers. He also could have just deleted the post that he knew was full of utter bullshit, but instead he chose to double down on it, after knowing it was bullshit.

I likely would have still called out his corrections, because he's not using the same criteria to generate our numbers that he's using to generate the numbers for the other teams. He's being purposefully deceitful.


Normally I just ignore his walls of words, because I know that responding will lead to this type of ridiculous circle jerk, but that post was BAD, REALLY BAD, and his corrected post is almost as bad as the original.

 

I’d argue the shear number is worrisome, it’s not just a handful, is it totally unexpected don’t know perhaps look at other D1 schools and see where they rank with a first year HBC.