Is It Time For Men To Let Women Take Over Society?

In the heat of the battle men do handle it better.

 

You are just making things up, humans in general arent meant for battle, the Army has spent lots of money and time trying to figure out how to break down people and turn them into killers, and even that doesn't always work, because everyone has a survival instinct that cant be entirely overcome, men and women included. And of course when you do that to people, they cant just "snap-back" into being a normal person, particularly if you've had to employ that training.

 

I don't think many men are even suggesting that men fold their hands. For those who are, I think it's a form of pouting - taking one's proverbial ball (or balls as it were) and going home...... and/or an implied threat to women that they're going to regret not giving us more praise and respect down the road.

Respectfully and in any event, isn't your position basically that God has pre-determined how things are going to play out? If that's the case, then these sorts of discussions don't seem to really matter because we're just subconsciously playing our respective parts in a script that was already written.

 

As George Costanza would say, date a blind girl. Good lookin' blind girl doesn't know you're not good enough for her.

 

Although, in his case I think she would figure it out.

 

Makes sense because without men there would be no war.

 

I don't generally watch sitcoms, but I have noticed this some on commercials. Consider the context though of decades where commercials often relegated women to doing the chores around the house and telling her how to make her husband happy. Yeah, the pendulum has swung a bit, but you can't view that in isolation. One example of a show I have watched a lot is Family Guy. We laugh at how Peter is so stupid, but those characters were created predominantly by men, so you shouldn't blame women for that or see it as an attack on you.

Most of the power players in Hollywood, in the business community, in advertising companies, in finance, and in politics are men - not women. The wealthiest people in the world are mostly men. We've never had a woman President in this country, and we're still fighting about whether women in some other countries can choose to show their heads. Women have made progress, but still aren't running most things even in the U.S.

Including race in this discussion adds another dimension. Even addressing that, it's worth noting that Peoples' Sexist Man Alive is usually a White man and was this year (Chris Evans). The Time Person of the Year is Zelensky. Last year it was Elon Musk. The top-grossing movie this year was Maverick, where a White man saved the day yet again. Popular movies such as the Thor and Batman franchises have dominant White men as the leads. Part of this is about what you look for because we tend to find things when we look for them. If you actively look for lauded and successful White men, they are everywhere.

 

Understanding history is nice and all, but some white guys are noticing they are being pushed out. He isn’t making it all up you know.

 

OP, how is your relationship with your mother?

 

Indeed, some people feel the alienation of capitalism and hollowness of American life its produced and just think "you know why my life sucks, its because I dont see enough white guys in commercials and the women who want to date me dont look/act like the porn I consume."

 

His response to this request will likely reveal something of his mindset. I look forward to reading it. He posted this yesterday on post #79 on this thread.

"But I'm tired of fighting. I'm tired of being alone. All those Incel/MGTOW people, I've never met one in real life and I know I never would. I know it's wrong to try to blame the entire female population. If I'm being honestly I'm pretty much single because for a very long time I was afraid of commitment (I still am at times). I never figured any woman could ever handle my arrogant asshole of a father. I bought a condo with my parents that they use about a month out of the year and it's nice having my own place. Part of me wouldn't want to give that up. My mom is largely alone due to my arrogant asshole father and I don't want her to feel like I'm replacing her with another woman. In hindsight I've probably never given women that much of a chance. But I know if I don't make changes I will end up old, alone and bitter and I don't want that. But I'm not sure I know how to change."

"That's funny in a way though true. Funny because my mom admitted my sister and I were almost not born as she almost didn't marry my dad. She literally cried the night before her wedding. But she always says having my sister and I made it all worth it. And I know what you are saying is right. The hardest part (but probably the most important part) would be to try to essentially deprogram myself from all the Incel/MGTOW/MRA/Red Pill stuff, if that's possible."

 

Your post brought to mind "Century of the Self" - a BBC documentary on Edward Bernays and his ground breaking work in the field of public relations and influence in the advertising industry. Bernays touted the idea that the "masses" are driven by factors outside their conscious understanding, and therefore that their minds can and should be manipulated by the capable few. "Intelligent men must realize that propaganda is the modern instrument by which they can fight for productive ends and help to bring order out of chaos."

It's long - nearly 4 hours, but I highly recommend it.

 

I agree there has been a relative power shift between the genders. I don't think that's in dispute. One area of disagreement is whether that change has been mostly good or mostly bad, whether the pendulum has swung too far (e.g. commercials mocking aloof husbands), whether traditional gender roles are preferable, etc. To me personally, the goal should be for women (not only American women but around the world) to have choices and options and not feel they need to be with a man merely because he can put food on the table or protect her from other men. Of course, many women still want to be in traditional relationships with traditional gender roles. That should be up to them and is great with me if that makes them happy. Either way, that's not something any man should feel entitled to either. Women do not owe men romantic attention, sex, or babies. Period.

From my perspective, I see many men (including some who may have accused women, gays, or racial minorities of having a victimhood mindset) who are now feeling emasculated and defeated because their power relative to women has decreased. That has created insecurity about their purpose and identity as men. I don't think they're all trolling; I think the despair is real, and that's why I'm willing to engage. But the misogynistic tropes that are pushed by many of these groups are not only bad for women, but they're bad for these men as well. They can unleash anger at women, or a commercial or cartoon, and I suppose that is easier than trying to do some self reflection to figure out why other men have healthy relationships and they don't.

In his own words, the poster acknowledges that he was "brainwashed" by the Incel/MGTOW mindset. He knows he needs to de-program to have a happy and productive life. I am glad he has come to that recognition, and I think some context and perspective will help him to see that being a man (even a White man) is not nearly as unfair or daunting as people have been trying to convince him.

 

NO!

 

I always liked the idea of dating a homeless girl.....That way when you are done with her you can drop her off anywhere.

 

Another point that I think has probably been raised here before but I think is worth mentioning: My understanding is that a significant percentage of self-identified "incels" anonymously report symptoms which correspond with mental illness. Many Americans do in varying degrees, of course, but it would make sense to me that a man who is already insecure about whether he's sufficiently alpha or masculine and who compares himself against traditional "macho" stereotypes is probably less likely to seek the very mental health treatment/counseling that might help him.

 

They do seek it out actually, its just that real treatment costs a lot of money , while grifters and conmen offer all sorts of cheaper "solutions" be they supplements, weird fad diets or "pick up" artistry, extreme right-wing politics, etc.

 

You did that and lived to tell the tale?

Good lord man, watch your six.