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How would you tame NIL?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by supduc, Dec 23, 2022.

  1. Crusher

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    It's an interesting conversation. Sadly, there is no way to put the genie back in the bottle. College sports have become (and was well on its way before NIL) a free for all and not an amateur sport at all. No one is giving 99.9% of these players any money for their name, image, or likeness....they are giving them money to go play for their favorite team. This is a rich get richer scenario....you can be sure that the big name colleges and universities will continue to dominate the landscape and the little teams that they pound every weekend can just take their TV money check and STFU like the Vandy's of the world.
     
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  2. gatorich

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    Would love to see this happen but do you really think that Bama, aTm, UGA, FSU, UM and others are going to be transparent about the way they run their programs?
     
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  3. CHFG8R

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    Man, I was skeptical when I read the title, but those things would put a damper on a lot of it. However, the amount of crying from those affected would be immense.
     
  4. CHFG8R

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    Sort of what the NFL currently does with it's 3-year rule. Honestly, that was smart business from the NBA. And in classic NBA fashion, they position their cost-saving rule (it's only purpose) as caring about the kid's education. Laughable when you consider they stay one semester.
     
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  5. CHFG8R

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    Yep. Personal services contracts. There literally is no way to police it.
     
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  6. CHFG8R

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    Bingo.

    Let me add.

    Minimum 3.0 (non-weighted) GPA
    Minimum 1200 SAT (or comparable ACT)

    NIL DEAD!!!!

    NFL minor league within 6 months.
    College football for kids who actually want to be there (and don't see it as some kind of professional purgatory).

    You could play with those numbers until you found a sweet spot that allowed you to get kids with some talent but still weed out the trash.
     
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  7. CHFG8R

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    Difference is MLB isn't prostituting college for it's player development (they'd probably prefer everyone turn pro out of HS) like the RICHEST SPORTS LEAGUE IN THE WORLD does.
     
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  8. 62gator

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    “for service”…..what a joke!
     
  9. Crusher

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    C'mon now, blocking, tackling, running, catching, and throwing are services! :D
     
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  10. Crusher

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    I've been hollering in the wilderness that there is an simple way for the NFL to come off that 3 year rule and that would be for the colleges and universities to tell the NFL that any player that remains unsigned by X date can come back to school if they have eligibility left. NFL types would have a conniption when all those underclassmen use going back to school as a bargaining chip.
     
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  11. tegator80

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    I back it down some in the NFL model. To me, the main point of the 3-year rule isn't to be not stupid about HS talent going straight to the NFL, it is that there needs a place for youngsters to grow into true adult bodies in a violent sport. Nothing would say a middling, desirous person can't try out in the NFL and get permanently injured or even killed. And open the NFL up to injury settlements. So what they lose is not having the ability of a Herschel Walker to go directly to the NFL but gain by losing the potential extravagant costs to mitigate injuries.

    And to go to both the NFL and the NBA, if they could figure out a financially viable minor league system to push the non-student athletes into better arrangements (see baseball, hockey, and international soccer) they would do so. But since there aren't any (G league is really a post-college setup and not post-HS), they use the passion of the so-called amateur game to pay the freight.
     
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  12. 96Gatorcise

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    Absolutely they are and it's genius. They have 2 minor league systems, one they pay for one they don't.
    It creates a huge pool of talent to choose from.
     
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  13. GatorBowl1969

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    There is no NIL. It is pay for play. Period. Nuke it and start over. True NIL or NOTHING. Of course it would take an NCAA with the stones to actually do something - even to the Alabama's of CFB. Kind of sick of all of this.
     
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  14. 96Gatorcise

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    What is true NIL?
     
  15. GatorBowl1969

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    I wish that I had the answer. Back in my day, tuition, books, room and board, tutoring, and other perks was enough. Guess I am a fossil who does not really understand what CFB has become.
     
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  16. 96Gatorcise

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    What you state is what the scholarship offers.

    NIL is having control over one's personal publicity and the right to monetize it. That is all these players are doing.
    The school still offers tuition, books, room and board, tutoring, and other perks in exchange for playing football.

    Now the players can also gain an income outside of the scholarship by selling themselves for promotional services.

    That service can be autographs, showing up for interviews and podcasts, meet and greets at a business, repping a business in commercials, T-shirts, jerseys etc...

    Money being paid out by NIL is for exactly what I stated above.
     
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  17. Crusher

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    Horseshizz...there isn't a single player in our newly signed class worth a plugged nickel for their NIL. Its pay for play, the jersey they are wearing and nothing more.
     
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  18. GatorBowl1969

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    "Now the players can also gain an income outside of the scholarship by selling themselves for promotional services".

    Interesting that I have not seen a single player doing promotional services for anybody. Maybe I am in the wrong market or NIL is exactly what it was really destined to be - pay for play. Don't misunderstand, I believe that UF is trying to do it the "right way" but many others are not and there is no mechanism to control it.
     
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  19. Crusher

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    Of course it is. Currently I'm worth zero NIL, but if I could talk Napier into signing me, I could slap a gator jersey on and be worth a million bucks!

    Too bad he wouldn't sign me cuz I'm old and slow and can't play a lick! :D
     
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  20. 96Gatorcise

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    It may look like that and some of it is to an extent.
    The collectives are banking they have a star in their stable.

    Look at it like a record label company. They sign an unknown band that looks and sounds good, they lay out money to pay them and produce an album hoping it will be a tremendous hit and bring in loads of cash.