Yeah, we don't live in the fantasy world you just invented where rape doesn't happen. So your argument fails. Tilly's starting point includes an exception for rape victims. That's not compromising.
I normally wouldn’t even go there but your assertion that you were pro vax seemed disingenuous given your hesitancy to take it. I give you credit for coming around though. Dude, I’m no different than I’ve ever been posting. You seem to have become more reasonable after finally getting off the Trump train but now it appears you have Desantis fever and you and 715 will rationalize and justify anything he does because he is the potential Republican savior.
Ahh. the classic moving of the goalposts. First it was "who supported the mandates?" Now it's "but the mandates were local... until they weren't when Joe Biden attempted a federal mandate." Yeah... great stuff. Before it's "who's doing it," now it's "well they're states and localities, they should decide for themselves. Nothing to see here." "If you're vaccinated, you're safe, unless you're around unvaccinated people." Not all vaccines are created equal for all people. "Who's supporting vaccine mandates? I do, but who else?" So much flailing. See above. No, I have. You just talked yourself into a hole so you're trying to dig yourself out of it by insulting my intelligence. I've already mentioned the decreased levels of transmission prevention with emerging variants, but as usual you just pick and choose which parts of my posts to pay attention to based on convenience. Good question. To that I'd say not necessarily Joe Biden directly, but it shows how pervasive it was at the time, is it really a stretch to think that advertisements or information dissemination in Florida regarding the vaccines echoed similar sentiments during that time? Then, I guess the truth changes pretty frequently with you. Damn you are easily persuaded when you want to believe something is true. Yes, and don't you see how that can be misleading? You know, the words in the Florida Statute? Clearly YOU haven't been paying attention if you think that the vaccines were ever 100% effective at preventing transmission. The notion that you don't even think this draws a red flag worthy of an investigation for being false or misleading is just ridiculous. Moving the goalposts again. We went pretty quickly from "we believe there will be protection potentially for a couple years" to "you need a booster to protect yourself after a few months." Also potentially false or misleading.
So in your mind, saying we should have resources for rape victims is a "compromise" because it is desirable for nobody to ever be raped? You're arguing semantics and doing it quite poorly.
These were my prior quotes on the subject. No moving goal posts. I said I was generally ok with vaccine mandates and asked you who you were mad at. You responded with a bunch of governors in places where you don’t live. As to all those quotes, they were from studies. The results of the studies were well known to anybody that followed them. The fact that you, Desantis or other RD fanboys are confused why viruses evolve and vaccine efficacies change after such factual statements are made is not something I can control. You are basically arguing that yours and others inability to understand the context of the factual statements is evidence of some sort of crime by pharma companies.
"Show me who supported/enabled vaccine mandates." Joe Biden "Apart from that one." Bill de Blasio and a bunch of politicians in states like New York, Illinois, and California. "No, in a state that affects you." You mean the state run by a Republican Legislature and a Republican Governor who filed the petition and is pretty much on my side here? "Yes, that one." What is wrong with you? In this study, or within the bounds of this study, vaccines were shown to be 94% effective at preventing transmission =/= study confirms vaccines are 94% effective against transmission. Guess which statement was made by the CEO of Moderna? I'm not confused, and I'm not misunderstanding anything, but you clearly have memory, reading comprehension, and logical reasoning issues. Or you have stubbornness or honesty issues.
Dude, obviously there were vaccine mandates. My question was the timeframe of them, what they were, and the extent they were made before full FDA approval. To the extent they were after FDA approval, vaccine mandates are completely unremarkable as they are routinely required in schools, health care workers, the military etc. This time line is informative. A Timeline of COVID-19 Vaccine Developments for the Second Half of 2021 For the most part the large scale vaccine mandates were AFTER full FDA approval. NYC did require it a couple of months before for health care workers (how anybody can argue against health care workers being vaccinated is beyond me) and Biden requirement of federal workers, which is completely within his purview as an employer. For those that did not want the vaccines there were testing and masking alternatives. Most everything else was after the full approval. At the time all of that seemed very rational, especially when thousands are dying every day from Covid. I can’t help that 18 months later armschair QBs like you and Ronnie D have decided to be outraged that a vaccine was required. Please tell me why any of those statistics that you quoted were incorrect at the time they were made? You have yet to do so. Your argument was people like you are ignorant and easily confused and that is the fault of pharma companies.
I was never a fan of COVID vaccine mandates as long as they've been widely available. Well I'm not sure about the exact second in which that statement was made so that's going to be awfully difficult to prove. With the varying degrees of efficacy that we saw from study to study, looks like the science was changing basically every two seconds. It's really tough to keep track of all of it.
Dude. I think the baby is a human. Allowing that human life to be terminated is a compromise to my belief. How are you not seeing this? My desire is that even the victim would offer life to the unwanted child. I am just ok with society not forcing it.
I believe conception. But I find the debate worthy and can accept a heartbeat opinion. I Won't throw the baby out with the bath water like many pro lifers do. I just want as many lives saved as possible. Pun intended btw.
Murder is never a term i have used. Murder requires an intent of some sort. I do not think scared women are murderers. It is literally ripping babys apart. Literally. Other pro lifers failure to value children after birth has no bearing on my position as that cant be said of many of us who care for both. Thats just a lame talking point that has become a popular way to deflect. Its like saying, you dont care if homeless people get run over by city busses because you dont work at the homeless shelter.
Your mistake is you think that was my starting point. I used to be pretty hardline in my opinion. Compassion has won out over hardlines.
I don’t see the compassion. I see one person who believes that his beliefs should be imposed on people who believe differently. I also see a person with zero common sense. So let’s have a million unwanted babies born each year. Some with pre-teen mothers, some without arms or legs, some who will never have any brain development, some whose mothers are homeless, and on and on. No one is going to want most of these kids. Let’s start building the institutions for them to live in and the prisons to eventually house many of them after they grow up. And, of course, they will replace wanted children who would have been born later on. Yes, you certainly are the compassionate one.
