Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Post Bowl Game Thoughts on CBN

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Rkb75, Dec 17, 2022.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. shane4three

    shane4three GC Hall of Fame

    8,702
    2,809
    2,768
    Dec 24, 2014
    I’ve heard very respected commentators/talking heads from many venues express shock and disbelief about our program. They thought at least he’d have them prepared week end and out. 2 of last 3 games we were absolutely not ready.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Winner Winner x 1
  2. TJtheGator

    TJtheGator GC Hall of Fame

    11,540
    1,977
    2,628
    Apr 3, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    Just finished his first season but yes, several changes must happen this offseason. If we enter 2023 with the exact same coaching staff, his seat will become hotter.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  3. gatorade

    gatorade All American

    303
    77
    1,788
    Oct 21, 2014
    On field performance, not just wins and loses should be what is examined.
    In first year he has shown me zero (on field) improvement, in any facet that they are building something. Play calling, TO usage, game management, as well as player development is truly awful. Every press conference is a version of the previous one. Next year it is not about telling me but actually showing me.
     
    • Agree x 6
    • Winner x 3
    • Like x 1
    • Creative x 1
    • Best Post Ever x 1
  4. shane4three

    shane4three GC Hall of Fame

    8,702
    2,809
    2,768
    Dec 24, 2014
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. TJtheGator

    TJtheGator GC Hall of Fame

    11,540
    1,977
    2,628
    Apr 3, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    One of the huge knocks against him.

    Three reasons I can see:

    1. The players- we don’t have the right dudes who can buy into a system and go all in. We also had AR as our QB, who doesn’t possess an ounce of leadership, clearly didn’t go all in and held himself back to prevent injury, etc. When the QB doesn’t lead the team doesn’t charge. It’s that simple.

    2. He quickly discovered some of his assitants were not cut out for SEC play. He was not gonna fire them or shuffle things mid season so gotta wait until the year is over.

    3. He discovered that being HC, OC, and game manager in the SEC is too much for him to handle. Will be remedied by bringing a top notch OC this offseason.
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 5
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Best Post Ever Best Post Ever x 1
  6. shane4three

    shane4three GC Hall of Fame

    8,702
    2,809
    2,768
    Dec 24, 2014
    7.4 million a year I believe. I hope your right about bringing in OC but I think he’ll unfortunately have a very hard time staying out of things. I think he will still control playcalling.
    DeBoer
    Riley
    Kelly
    Dykes
    Elko
    Freeman

    All first years at new schools playing with last guy’s player. All figured out how to win.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
  7. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    D revised to F
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  8. sqgator

    sqgator GC Legend

    962
    310
    1,883
    Apr 3, 2007
    A special team coordinator is badly needed.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. fredgarvin

    fredgarvin Senior

    245
    58
    1,628
    Oct 3, 2020
    Don't forget O and D while you're looking.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. scooterp

    scooterp GC Hall of Fame

    2,258
    1,282
    2,703
    Feb 15, 2012
    That this person clearly doesn’t have the stomach or patience for us to take the necessary steps to rebuild our way back to prominence. Which is exactly what I posted earlier.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. 06GATORS08

    06GATORS08 GC Hall of Fame

    1,530
    435
    1,963
    Dec 12, 2009
    You get a certain contingent of posters here that believe they are a better class of fan so they chastise others. Their argument is that our fans run off coaches who just need more time. We are soooo much worse than other programs and it is all the fault of our fans.

    I have a question for those guys. Which of our former coaches post Meyer has found success elsewhere as a HC?
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2022
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 2
  12. Mikog8tor

    Mikog8tor GC Hall of Fame

    1,698
    663
    2,038
    Aug 16, 2010
    #3 I'll believe it when I see it. Don't get the feeling he'll make any changes.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
  13. flnative75

    flnative75 All American

    469
    325
    1,928
    Oct 17, 2011
    Tampa
    I have a very close friend who’s family has been in the NFL for decades as General manager for a few Teams . Grew up with Bill Parcells, Tom Coughlin, Gruden list goes on. Napiers biggest mistake according to the guys who do this at the highest level are saying he made a big mistake not hiring an Offensive coordinator. Florida is too big of a program to try and take on that type of responsibility. But he’s a smart guy he will figure it out.
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2022
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 3
    • Informative Informative x 1
  14. gator10

    gator10 GC Legend

    603
    311
    1,868
    Nov 23, 2015
    I think it was apparent from last night AR was doing a better job of leadership than we thought. This is just not a very talented team.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. doublewhammy

    doublewhammy Junior

    160
    78
    178
    Nov 19, 2016
    We keep talking about a coaching carousel, but the coaching failures aren't fabricated. The hires have been abysmal, (with the exception of Mullen whom I thought was a good hire at the time.) and are the result of poor decisions by the administration. With so many failures by the administration, why should we believe they got this one right? We're all fans here and our ire should be focused on the poor decisions by the administration, not on each other.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. gator_lyn

    gator_lyn All American

    383
    165
    1,763
    Oct 28, 2017
    The other failed hires had that vibe where it felt as if the AD thought he was smarter than everyone else when he made the choice
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
  17. TJtheGator

    TJtheGator GC Hall of Fame

    11,540
    1,977
    2,628
    Apr 3, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    AR’s athletic ability and play earned him the team’s respect. But he was not a leader per se. He could elevate his own play (IF he chose to) but cannot elevate the play of those around him.

    AR is a very odd duck when it comes to his personality and the QB position. He had teamates at UF. Hard to say he had friends.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. TJtheGator

    TJtheGator GC Hall of Fame

    11,540
    1,977
    2,628
    Apr 3, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    Foley came off this way after hiring Zook and it quickly crashed down on him.

    For Muschamp everyone knew he was caught with his pants down and had no plan. So he went with the guy everyone tabbed as the next up and comer and Texas had labeled their HCIW.

    For McElwain it was depressing to watch Foley make the hire. His tone pretty much implied he was not physically or mentally ready to undergo another Football HC search. He needed to quiet down the BullGators and basically said here is some low-hanging fruit from the Saban tree, tastes like offense. He is even quoted as saying “Will Muschamp was the last football coach I thought I would have to hire.” When it became obvious McElwain was a failed hire, Foley retired just before his 25th anniversary as AD at UF.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  19. WC53

    WC53 GC Hall of Fame

    4,985
    1,025
    2,088
    Oct 17, 2015
    Old City
    With all the missing pieces and drama about folks leaving, I don’t think you can draw any conclusion +- on AR’s leadership.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. RockyMtnGtr

    RockyMtnGtr Senior

    222
    121
    1,893
    Nov 22, 2009
    I'm beginning to think he's a Scott Frost hire.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.