Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,239
    1,544
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Keep wanting to believe models to make you feel better about taking shots you don’t need anymore. Shots many never needed.
     
  2. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,239
    1,544
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    No.

    Because we went with a one size fits all approach and ignored natural immunity and seroprevalence it makes it almost impossible to create a good statistical model. Especially considering how many are at almost no risk to the disease.
     
  3. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,716
    1,788
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    None of that prevents building a good statistical model. (this can be dismissed as an appeal to authority, but I'm saying that as someone with a masters degree in applied statistics)

    Can you be specific about what you believe would prevent building a good statistical model that accounts for the one size fits all approach? Or what about ignoring natural immunity and seroprevalence would prevent building a good statistical model? Or how many being at almost no risk to the disease would prevent building a good statistical model?
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,040
    1,187
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    I persist for two reasons: (1) I will not let crimes against humanity recede in the rear view mirror (2) I aim to wobble belief in cough and kill grandma.
     
  5. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    “I think the most important thing with the data: If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,”

    “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

    - Ron “The Gold Standard” Desantis
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  6. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    “I think the most important thing with the data: If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,”

    “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

    - Ron “The Gold Standard” Desantis
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  7. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    “I think the most important thing with the data: If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,”

    “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

    - Ron “The Gold Standard” Desantis
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  8. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,040
    1,187
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Think about it, people ...

    Have we really experienced a virus that upends all tenets of virology or is it a test ?

    Remember all the talk about herd immunity that was never reached, even after three years ? The so-called Spanish Flu, the mother of all pandemics lasted half that long.

    Remember how we always believed that when you ‘got’ a virus you’d probably not get it again ? Yet, we all know people who’ve ‘gotten’ it two times, three times and sometimes more.

    And remember how we hoped that herd immunity could be achieved through vaccination, but after two years now, vaccinated people ‘get’ the virus again and again.

    Folks, it isn’t a virus. It’s a test. The test fostered and has sustained the illusion of a pandemic.
     
  9. coleg

    coleg GC Hall of Fame

    1,796
    770
    1,903
    Sep 5, 2011
    Remember how once you catch a cold (rhinovirus) you'll never catch another one...... DERP. Be better.
     
  10. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,040
    1,187
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Moo. Get tested for Mad Cow. You can’t be too careful.
     
  11. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,239
    1,544
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Just based on the disease alone the model is ridiculous. This thing has been so overblown at this point. The push to coerce people to take these shots is beyond apparent now. This disease was never that dangerous to most people. But hey…go jab your 6 month old child or grandchild if you want.

    It was a terrible disease and we need to make sure we never make the same mistakes again. Unfortunately with that it is going to take time to rebuild trust in public health. The longer we push terrible policy and medicine. The longer it will take to rebuild that trust. It is an unfortunate reality.
     
  12. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,239
    1,544
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Talk about disinformation lol.

    England gave us the best numbers on this. By the time most were vaccinated…most of those in the hospital for Covid were vaccinated and dying. Why. Because the elderly were the majority being vaccinated and that is who ends up in the hospital and dying from this disease by and large. The lies coming out of this country about hospitalization were clear from early on in the rollout of these shots.

    If only we got good data like England provided. Funny thing is England stopped giving us the data as of May I believe it was. In May of this year I think it was 94% of Covid deaths in England were fully vaccinated if memory serves me correct.
     
  13. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    “I think the most important thing with the data: If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,”

    “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

    - Ron “The Gold Standard” Desantis
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  14. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,239
    1,544
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Disinformation at its best. The propaganda is strong…

     
  15. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    Weird that you would consider someone actively spreading disinformation to be “the gold standard” but then again you believe all sorts of backwards shit so I can’t say I’m shocked.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,239
    1,544
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    You are the one doing so. But you know that. DeSantis is the Gold Standard. You citing a quote from very early on in the shot rollout is how to push disinformation. Carry on.
     
  17. flgator2

    flgator2 Premium Member

    6,593
    660
    2,113
    Apr 3, 2007
    Gainesville
    Lol, lighten up Francis
     
  18. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    Wrong again (like a broken record). Those quotes are from the summer of 2021. Long after the shots had been available to everyone.

    Are you saying Ronald “Gold Standard” Desantis was wrong when he was pushing the shots? When did his “gold standard” status begin?
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  19. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,040
    1,187
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Vaccines only efficacious in one demographic ...

    People killed by vaccines will never again test positive.
     
  20. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,716
    1,788
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    Based on the disease alone, what is ridiculous about the model?