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POLL: Should the US trade Viktor Bout for Brittney Griner?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Jul 27, 2022.

Should the US trade Viktor Bout for Brittney Griner?

  1. yes

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    16.1%
  2. no

    120 vote(s)
    83.9%
  1. citygator

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    If it was just a matter of priority either Trump didn’t prioritize it or he couldn’t get him out either.
     
  2. gatordavisl

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    I believe this is wildly wrong. 17 grams is more than half an ounce. That's a pretty big bag of weed (assuming it was flower). BG had something like a gram or less.
     
  3. chemgator

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    He's not helping Americans in foreign lands if he sets up a precedent whereby rogue countries will start kidnapping Americans every time they have a prisoner they want set free. He's putting more Americans in danger. You need to look at the bigger picture, not the incident in isolation. And this trade in particular is abhorrent--thousands of people worldwide will die because the Merchant of Death was set free. Some of those people may or may not be Americans. If I was running against Biden in 2024, I would describe this trade as Biden committing a crime against humanity.
     
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  4. cflgator83

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    Even if it's a gram of less if the law was no weed at all that's the law of the country. So why are you giving Griner a pass when she did break the law? Who are we to determine and judge the laws of another country? If she wanted weed that badly she shouldn't have been in Russia. But like so many celebrities Griner was arrogant and didn't think the law applied to her. She learned today that she was right, the law doesn't apply to her.
     
  5. citygator

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    Doesn’t seem so easy right?

    Paul Whelan, accused US spy in Russia, tells Donald Trump to "keep America great" he should help end his "absurd political kidnap" today - CBS News

    Addressing Mr. Trump, Whelan read from a statement: "Mr. President, we cannot keep America great unless we aggressively protect American citizens wherever they are in the world."
     
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  6. gatordavisl

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    No
     
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  7. cflgator83

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    It absolutely is easy, Whelan was a political prisoner for longer than Griner. It should be Whelan, not Griner, that Biden should have picked for the release in exchange for Bout.
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    Sorry I meant Whalen.
     
  9. gatordavisl

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    I don't know, but from my limited knowledge, agree with you that a teacher and person who apparently served his country should have been part of this deal in the least.
     
  10. citygator

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    You’re not following. Whelan begged Trump, begged him for help and nothing happened. Nothing. If it was easy why didn’t TRUMP do it? Answer.. it wasn’t easy.
     
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  11. cflgator83

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  12. gatordavisl

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    I don't think anyone is suggesting that BG is more important than the person you've brought into the conversation. I certainly didn't suggest that in the previous post that you quoted.
     
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  13. cflgator83

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    And let me ask you this. If it was you, me or some average American (with no celebrity status) who committed the same crime in Russia, do you think we are home with family right now? Hopefully you aren't naive but we'll see how you answer.
     
  14. chemgator

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    Most likely, Putin would let them rot in U.S. jails. He would view it as a win, because the U.S. spends something like $25-30,000 keeping a prisoner incarcerated, and this hurts the U.S. economy.
     
  15. Sohogator

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    They don’t let facts get in the way of their argument. A vape cartridge typically has 500mg of THC
     
  16. gatordavisl

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    Where are you getting these questions, outside of irrationality? I'm merely pointing out that less than 1 gram of THC oil is less than 17grams of flower. But carry on. Your rants have been wildly entertaining. :emoji_sunglasses:
     
  17. cflgator83

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    How about your answer the question. Did Brittany Griner break a law in Russia or not? Why should Brittany Griner get special treatment and be exempt from the punishment for breaking a law in Russia? Who was forcing Griner to stay in Russia when the vast majority of smart Americans had already gotten out?
     
  18. citygator

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    Can someone point me to a Whelan thread started on this board by concerned conservatives before it became politically motivated?

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  19. G8trGr8t

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    Concentrate vs bulk
     
  20. Sohogator

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    Still only 500mg.
     
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