Christian Nationalism

The 1970s called, they want their talking points back.

BTW, which political party in the US slips on their kneepads for Putin TODAY, emulating what their spray tanned, comb-overed haired god does?

 

You are correct on one point here. It is a little outdated. BLM could be added. All critical theories descend from the Frankfurt school and Antonio Gramsci branches of the diagram including critical gender theory and critical race theory. The left side of the diagram could use a massive expansion.

 

Nonetheless, arguing over who or what is a cult is fruitless. There are Christian cults. There are non-Christian cults. Jesus is King and will judge both Christian and non-Christian cults. Jesus sits at the right hand of God as the king of all creation. You are either living for Him or you are not. You are either redeemed from the penalty of sin by His blood, or you are not. You are either headed for eternal life or eternal judgment. Either you know Christ as savior, or you know Him as judge. Those are the only categories that matter. If you are in the wrong category, it is as simple as turning to God, confessing your sin and rebellion against Him as utterly sinful and worthy of death and eternal judgment, trusting in Christ alone as your savior to pay the full penalty for all of your sins, and leaving your sin-filled life behind to live a new life of freedom in following Christ. Everything else is futile and worthless.

 

It's totally fruity as one particular cult wants to take over this country, abolish elections and has already begun the process of relegating women to 2nd class citizenhood beholden to the whims of awful men.

 

This piece had the best language I have seen on explain why Christian nationalism is incompatible with being a patriotic American loyal to American values

The other thing to remember is that nationalism is not patriotism. Patriots are loyal to the polity or collective society of which they are citizens. Nationalists care only about their ethnic, cultural, or national identity, which they take to be superior to all others, and which they wish to insert at the foundation of the civil society to which they happen to belong. In the case of the United States—perhaps the first republic in the modern world to be explicitly founded on universal ideals (however imperfectly applied), not merely national prejudices—this distinction between nationalism and patriotism makes all the difference.

The political ideology of Christian nationalism, in direct contrast with America’s founding ideals, says that government derives its legitimacy not from consent of the governed but from fidelity to the particular heritage of a particular people. As Thomas Jefferson pointed out, the American constitutional system requires a “wall of separation” between church and state. But Christian nationalists have made it clear that they intend to tear down that wall.




Why Are Some Christian Nationalist Leaders Opposed to Being Called Christian Nationalists?

 

Christians Must Publicly Denounce Christian Nationalism

My husband and I expected to be pastors until we retired, but the Christian nationalism embraced by some church members has caused us to give up on that idea.

From 2017 to 2020, we were co-pastors of a church in Amarillo. Members knew that we did not share the positive opinion of former President Donald Trump that many of them had, but we rarely discussed our political views. We left that church before the 2020 election, planning to continue our careers as pastors elsewhere.

We have since realized we cannot do that. Serving as pastors now seems incompatible with God’s call to preach and live according to the teachings of Jesus. We know that other congregations, especially in red states like Texas, are likely to include MAGA Republicans who don’t want to hear that their bigoted views go against everything Jesus taught and modeled. They can’t accept that politicians they support, like Donald Trump and Governor Greg Abbott, are endangering lives and ignoring Jesus’ call to help “the least of these.”

My husband experienced this firsthand when he led worship at a rural Texas congregation on June 19, 2022. The person reading the prayers provided by the national church left out one that recognized the Juneteenth holiday and condemned white supremacy. During his interview with the church council after worship, he asked why that prayer had been omitted. He was told that similar prayers at previous services had caused one man to walk out and say he wouldn’t be back and several others to complain. When he said he found that troubling and did not think white supremacy was part of God’s kingdom, the council president looked straight at him and said, “I disagree.”

 

I was raised by Baptists. We were at church three times a week. My, now ex wife was reared similarly. These congregations were working class. The pastors went to Bible school not seminary.
When my daughter was born on June 19th multiple people from both congregations told her how lucky she to be born on such a special day. Texas is different or times have changed.

Also, I've never heard of a pastor mentioning a politician by name. If they like these people wanted to preach against Abbott they would have trashed his policy but would have never mentioned his name. These pastors are actually doing what you are decrying. They are practicing politics in the name of religion. You just agree with their politics.

The people I read who fight Christian Nationalism do so because it isn't Christian. Christians in their minds have a higher calling than politics.

David French has a free email every Sunday you should read it if you want to understand evangelicals. Today he chastised the church in a way that stings people who are actually Christian. Repeating these liberal talking points like these pastors do will probably will get some agrees from people who already agree with you but won't evoke a second thought from Christians.

 

David French is excellent. But "real" Christians? Hmmmm

 

As a Muslim I find your long winded opinion to be not in line with my most needed long winded opinion. Please always be humble and realistic in knowing that there are over 4200 religions in the world. This means there will be quite a few wrong followers based on the 4200-1 God requirement each religion holds. In other words...you stand a good chance that you are wrong or maybe you got lucky? Yes, I recognize the same which is why I dont profess that my beliefs are for use as a general societal fact.They are pretty good for personal day to day living though.

 

People who believe in the divinity of Christ and seriously practice their religion. If you think I being judgemental I am not among them.
There has to be a church between Spong's non-theistic Christianity and the world was created in seven days 6000 years ago that I haven't found.

 

JSS have some excellent thoughts but I was never much of a fan based upon admittedly limited reading. If I'm going to read in that area I'd much rather read John Dominic Crossan, which keeps wanting to autocorrect to croissant.

The real question is whether there's a tension between the salvific person and the ethical teacher. We can all lapse into Nestorianism when trying to apply that "divide" in the world

 

Is this the reason for Dear Leader’s following?





“Quoting Root, Mr. Trump shared the message that he is "the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world," that "the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the King of Israel" and even that "They love him like he is the second coming of God."


Trump "king of Israel": Trump tweets quote calling him the "second coming of God" to Jews in Israel - CBS News

 

Pretty sure this qualifies as Christian Nationalism and at least partly explains what many have been wondering about the common thread between some of these guys (in addition to misogyny). I don't know about this Twitter group, but there's a linked video which I assume is real. Nick Fuentes nodding in agreement while to his credit, Gavin McInnes looks a bit confused.

Ye: "If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are wrong. And anyone that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ should not be in control or any influence to anything that America produces..." He apparently thinks that should extend not just to politics but things like technology, farming, medicine, and prisons.

 

Not like the NC protests were under that umbrella or anything

 

Kanye wouldn’t be getting the grief he’s been getting had he expressed camaraderie with the Azov Battalion in Ukraine.

 

He caused his own grief

 

By not saying nice things about Hitler while being outside of Ukraine.

 

This started way before his comment on Hitler

 

You mean his admiration for Trump ? How awful!

 

No that's not what I mean