my daughter is a cheerleader for her middle school basketball teams. So I get to watch a lot of middle school games lol. Last night, our girls were playing. After a timeout, we hit a 3 pointer. During the shot, our coach was jumping up and down telling the refs the other team had 6 players on the court, which they did. So they got a technical for that. The shot counted and the other coach protested that it shouldn’t have. After a lengthy discussion, the shot was waived off. We then made 1 of 2 free throws and retained possession. Should the shot have counted though? I did some research and found a few differing opinions. Just curious.
The (technical) foul occured before the 3 pointer, the shot doesn't count. In this case it is kind of weird because the refs didn't notice it before the shot. Technically, the foul occured as soon as the ball was live with six players on the court. In football a penalty by the defense doesn't stop the play and the offense can choose to accept the result of the free play or the penalty, but in basketball there is no such provision, a foul is a foul.
One time my son was playing in an alumni game with real refs. For fun in the second half as the teams were rebounding in the opposite court we sent an extra player out during the play with the attention in the other court. No one noticed. The teams were going up and back at a fast pace so no one was looking at the whole court. So next time back we sent another player out to now have seven players out. Still no one noticed, again ball was moving quickly back and forth. Finally on the third time as the 8th player stepped on the court it became obvious to everyone what was up and the technical was called. We all had a good laugh that it took so long. As long as you don't end up with more than 5 at one end people aren't used to the distraction. The other team was a little miffed.
— All that makes perfect sense. One thing that I believe our coach was arguing was that we made a three pointer that didn’t count. The other team made the mistake of having too many players on the court, but it ended up costing us points. We ended up making only one of the two foul shots, got the ball back, but didn’t score on that possession. So the other team by playing too many players, actually ended up benefiting by two points. As we were talking in the stands, we were wondering what if we would’ve stolen the inbound pass and hit another three-pointer, then the referees notice the six players, would all six points have been taken away?
To me, everything before the whistle counts, unless there are some rules that allow retroactive calls.
(disclaimer: neither an official, nor a lawyer , just found this comment philosophically interesting. The officials don't know exactly at what point this occurred, though, if they had to be alerted to the fact that the problem was occurring (player could have entered the court at any time between the ball being put into play and the awareness of too players on the court); we know they didn't know it happened as soon as the ball went live because they would have called the tech then. As an example, if a player is camped out in the lane, and a coach draws it to their attention, they still have to count to three regardless of how long the player has already been in there (how would they know other than just taking the coach's word for it?). I would hope that the situation works out to the favor of the offensive team (miss = no shot; make = play the result) like you see in football. Go GATORS! ,WESGATORS
I know nothing about the correct answer to this question, but I do offer you God's blessing as you guide a child through middle school. Just the worst.
This is interesting. I'd say it depended on when the ref blew the whistle for the T. That's when it was recognized and called. It's not a foul until the ref blows a whistle and recognizes it. Somebody can push another player over and if there's no whistle there's no foul, even though everyone else in the building saw it. I'll bet they missed a lot more. LOL!
I looked up the NCAA rules and it is silent on this scenario. I am assuming that high school ball follows NCAA rules. When things are in doubt like this I like to apply the rule of the schoolyard. They always figure out what is fair. This one is a close call but I would say that the three pointer would not count because it was scored with an unfair advantage.
OK. This actually happened in an intramural game. We were lined up to shoot a free throw and missed. A player from the opposing team rebounded it and had a brain fart and shot the ball toward our basket. One of our players also had a brain fart and fouled the guy shooting at our basket. He made the shot. Now what? Much hilarity followed. They gave us the two points and gave the other team the ball. They were not in the bonus so I don't recall if we were charged with a foul. I am not sure if that is by the rules but it seemed fair.
One of my favorite moments playing intramural basketball at UF. We were in a tight game early and the other team just inbounded the ball and a ref called a tech because one guy was wearing his wedding ring and that was an automatic tech. Wearing jewelry was a T. We didn't like the call and did not want to get an advatage because of it. We intentionally bricked both technical shots and then inbounded the ball to the other team. We thought this call was BS. We ending up crushing those guys but we did the right thing. Even if we ended up losing we did the right thing.
The 3 pointer counts, your team gets to shoot the technical foul and gets the ball out of bounds on your sideline. That was the rule when I coached many years ago!
