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A CRT is not as good as an RCT. They are not the same thing. You are the one who posted a study saying it was an RTC. I hope you have corrected your error. Because that is a lie to say you posted a study with a RCT.

The main purpose of a surgical mask for doctors is to protect them from things like splatter. So you do appear to understand its purpose. Now…you do remember what the propaganda told you or did it work so well that you forgot about how masks work? Remember. The purpose of a mask is to protect others. Not you. This is the power of propaganda defined. You know it is virtue. You understand the purpose of the mask. Yet you fight to have people wear them for no reason.

The best information we have on masks and Covid is…

One: the past understanding of how masks work. Hence it was not recommended until a few public officials decided they needed to look like they were doing something and ignored what the medical and scientific community already knew. And…

Two: the information we can decipher from observational data. Some of the best data coming from Florida schools. Williamson and Davidson County Schools in Nashville.

There is no strong convincing evidence mask do anything when it comes to Covid. But you do you and virtue away if it makes you feel better.

 

Okay, I'm going to have to say that the fact that you keep referring to it as an RTC, which would stand for Randomized Trial Control, and is nonsense, means you don't really understand RCTs. I provided a link that defined CRTs as a form of RCT and a second link that showed why you would utilize that form of randomization. You should read them if you want to educate yourself on the methodology. But I know you won't seriously consider them because they aren't useful to your argument.

I pointed out a RCT (and, I proved a CRT is a form of an RCT). You just wish it wasn't true. We do not need to utilize observational data because of this, although we certainly could utilize multiple observational studies as well.

Here is a meta-analysis of observational studies.

Face masks to prevent transmission of COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis - ScienceDirect

 

As noted. You know masks do not work. You have shown you understand their purpose. Yet still want to argue against the best information we have on masks and Covid. Which is the long term understanding of them in the medical and scientific communities. Along with the observational data we have.

Virtue away if you wish. There is a reason we don’t have solid RCTs proving masks work.

 

Haha, now you shift the goal posts. You went from there are no RCTs to there are no "Solid" RCTs. Which is just your mind trying to square being wrong (again). The RCT was published in one of the leading journals in the world after peer review.

As such, there is an RCT showing that masks work. As such, given the observational data (which I also provided) and the outcome of the highest sample sized RCT on the subject (i.e., the one with the most power), I will say that masks accomplish their primary goal (preventing the spread of viral or bacterial infection, which, given that Covid is a viral infection, would be included in it "working"). Everything else is just you trying to avoid your point being wrong (again).

 

Wear a face diaper if it helps your feelings.

We’ll try not to laugh at you.

 

There are no RCTs providing evidence masks work to slow the spread of Covid.

You know this. Keep up the virtue fight if you wish.

 

False. I linked one. A cluster randomized trial, which is a form of a randomized control trial, that showed that masks slowed the spread of Covid. Stop lying.

 

Stop lying to yourself. There is no virus. There is only a test. 2020ff is a panic-induced PCR-based pseudo-epidemic with massive reclassification of deaths.

 

No you did not link a Randomized Controlled Trial. And you know it. You linked a CRT. It is not the same thing. And you know it. Yet you are falsely trying to equate the two.

Regardless at the end of the day the observational data we have now speaks for itself. And there is a reason we do not have any RCTs showing masks work when it comes to Covid.

Virtue on my friend.

 

The definition of an Cluster Randomized Trial:

Notice the phrase "is a randomised controlled trial." It is literally in the definition.

What is a CRT? | Cluster Randomised Trials

I provided both a meta-analysis of observational studies and an RCT. If you actually read what I posted, you would know that. But you either don't or choose to lie.

Vice on, my friend.

 

I will give that CRT is the second best option out there. The Bangladesh study did show that cloth masks are pointless and there might be some benefit to a surgical masks. It is a criminal we never ran large studies in the United States on this. Well...my theory is we did and the authoritarians did not like the results.

 

It is an RCT. By definition. And it showed statistically significant benefit of surgical masks.

It is impossible to run such a study in the US ethically because you can't tell people to do something theorized to be less effective at preventing harm. So if people are wearing masks, you can't create a control group by telling people to stop wearing masks as the actions of the researcher would theoretically cause harm. That is why you need to run it in an environment with low mask adherence.

 

Keep up the virtue. Hope you are still wearing those extra thick masks.

 

Yeah, I'd avoid discussing the studies specifically too if I were you. Keep up the vice. Hope you are coughing on people regularly.

 

Protesters blocking traffic is a legitimate protest too.... Right?

 

I am respectful and follow the science. I question vigorously claims that make no sense. And Covid is a prime example of how powerful propaganda is. I am sure you have all sorts of shots and likely had covid as well. All while masking with Great Virtue. That is fine. You are entitled to keep it up.

Most of us have moved on.

 

No, actually you aren't at all. You mock people's posts with your ratings and with your posts. And you don't regularly read any scientific articles before posting or go through them and consider their methods and conclusions before responding. Honest question, how many masking studies have you actually read?

No, you haven't moved on because you continue to post false things in this thread. Like that there has been no RCT showing mask use slows Covid spread, which is factually false.

And you aren't respectful because you mocked my motives and made a ton of assumptions about my behavior in this very post.

But the last line shows what this is about to you. It isn't about a true analysis of the science. It is about you feeling good about your actions.

 

Me too and I got the last Covid booster and the first dose of the shingle vax.

 

Trillions of microbes in, on and around you. But that one rogue microbe is gonna Gotcha! HIDE!!!