What is wrong with: All lives matter phrase??

It's like asking why Gator fans get mad when other teams or fans do the chomp to mock us ... I mean, there is nothing wrong or immoral about swinging your arms in a scissor fashion, right? ... why is it okay for me/you to do it but not for Noles fans?

So that's just it ... retorting with "all lives matter" is only meant to mock the slogan that was meant to bring light to unjustified killings by cops.

 

"All lives matter" has never been a taunt or a mock. It has also not stolen millions from unsuspecting donors.

 

Sure ... When opposing fans do the Gator chomp, it's never been a taunt or a mock, it's perfectly legal for other people to clap vertically...

 

I think homer answered up stream. Blacks do commit more crimes. It is only natural that it follows they are targeted more and in certain areas more so.

 

January 1978 I graduated from the police academy and was assigned to a squad that patrolled mostly projects/section 8 areas.

What I experienced was a huge drug and prostitution issue in those areas. It was almost exclusively black on black crime from hookers to murder. Dealers had 6 year old (mol) kids running drugs on bicycles. (Mostly crack cocaine) Kids that you couldn’t catch on foot. They would dump their bike, (usually stolen) go over a fence or some other type obstacle and be gone. The same kid would be back on the street the next day running drugs on a different stolen bike. Few were caught. If they were they were let go as they were under the age of accountability and could not be arrested.

The one request we received from the many good people who lived in those areas was to please come into their neighborhood and clean up the drugs and other crimes. Many of the ones who requested it did it anonymously or came to the police station to ask. They were scared of getting caught asking for help. It was sad watching the grandmothers try to raise their sons and daughters kids in that atmosphere.

Then there was the other side that complained when we tried do do what was asked. We were picking on blacks. Arresting them in greater numbers. Trying to clean up some of the crime. It was definitely a two edged sword and no matter what we did it was wrong.

As this back and forth was playing out some of the black community leaders and the NAACP requested that mostly black police officers be sent into black areas. There was a meeting with the police chief. Afterwards our chief asked for black volunteers to change squads and patrol the black areas. The only 2 that volunteered were high up on a promotional list. When the police chief found out there were only 2 volunteers he put out a warning that he would reassign black officers as needed. Most of the black officers were union members. They met with the union president who let the chief know that anyone reassigned would file a discrimination grievance or suit against the department. The chief dropped his threat. When the black community leaders found out they were stunned to find out that black patrol officers didn’t want to work in the predominately black areas. What was the reason. There was constant crime and the officers working in those area were the busiest on the department.

That’s just one of many issues I witnessed.

 

You're equating opposing fans mocking the Gator chomp to "all lives matter". False analogy. Just goes to show how sensitive liberals are. "All lives matter" was never meant to be a taunt. It was just to point out that all lives matter, lol.

 

It’s point was to diminish and you know that.

 

Exactly, but I like to ask the question to give them an answer to learn for themselves. For some reason people resist more when you tell them the facts than when they do the research and learn the facts for themselves.

 

I disagree with your tu quoque wholeheartedly!

As I stated earlier, "All lives matter" is a hackneyed attempt end any debate. Who's going to disagree with such a statement? It does not, however, address the inequities in law enforcement and the criminal justice system which inspired the phrase (ie Trayvon Martin, Garner and Michael Brown). Anyone who deploys it as a response to "BLM" is demonstrating their unwillingness to discuss the actual issues by hiding behind bullshit literalism. This unwillingness is evidence of a closed mind.

 

Thank you for sharing this. I have a few important questions for you:

Why do you think these issues were so prevalent in the areas you discussed? What led to the explosion of black-on-black violence and black kids running drugs? Was it the result of being excluded from society for 200 years? Was it the result of white drug lords flooding black neighborhoods with drugs? Was it the result in the breakdown of the family in black neighborhoods?

I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on these questions.

 

No, I don't believe it was. I think you're just being sensitive. "All lives matter" was to say "we all matter" and we shouldn't use identity politics and single out a certain race. We all matter.. which is true. And by the way, "all lives matter" does not contradict "black lives matters". Black Lives Matters was turned into a racket.

 

Sure, and other fans doing the Gator chomp isn't a taunt, either. It shows how sensitive Gator Fans are. Other fans just think all teams should be allowed to clap vertically in support of their own team.

 

I’m not being sensitive, you’re being disingenuous. But you know that.

 

Singling out a certain race was the point, since it was a movement started by black people to bring attention to unarmed black people getting killed by cops. If your team wanted to put the message out there "we all matter", maybe they could have done it way that wasn't mocking the message of black people, or thrown back in their face as a retort? Convenient excuse ... but everyone knows what it was really about ...

 

Did I teleport back to Too Hot circa 2014? Very timely discussion lol.

 

Exactly

 

You insult fellow Gators you do not know and have no clue as to what they feel. Get a life.

 

Probably a little of all of it.

What led to black on black crime was how easy it was to commit and get away with night or day. Most of the people in those areas were afraid to say anything much less testify against the dealers. Those dealers were/are brutal. They didn’t care about anything but making money. The easy marks were their own people. The kids grew up watching the drug deals and other crimes. It was common to them. I witnessed a couple shootings. People stood around talking while the sound of the ambulance approached almost like they were watching a parade. Those that cared stayed in their homes. The kids who ran the drugs were given money, bikes, toys, candy, etc. and knew they couldn’t be arrested. I think the only reason they ran was to protect the drugs they were carrying.

I’m not an expert by any means but here is my opinion.

White drug dealers don’t care who they sell to. Those areas were repeat customers. Easy money and deals. The local dealers would give crack away in an attempt to get people hooked.

The past played a part in it. How do you get out of poverty when you are born into it and your mom is a prostitute and your dad is nowhere to be found. You grow up in an atmosphere of poverty, crime, and few choices. Zero support to go to school and make decent grades, much less graduate from HS. However let me say, I saw many good people try their best to raise their kids in those conditions. Many were grandparents.

Is it still that bad? (1978 vs now) DK

What is the solution? DK

 

If you use the phrase “All Lives Matter” then you don’t like or care for black people. I’m glad when people use that phrase because it helps me identify them.