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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Nov 23, 2022.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    agreed but the sheriff in Colorado is on the record as saying he wouldn't enforce red flag laws without a court order.

    do we need to criminalize the incompetence in LEO not enforcing laws?
     
  2. tampajack1

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    Every time there’s a mass shooting, which is pretty much every day, the libtards want to make it political. Stop already. There are real political issues to deal with, such as Hunter Biden’s drug addiction.
     
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  3. okeechobee

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    A substantial decrease in the volume of crimes that involve a firearm or where the perpetrator was carrying a firearm. It would need to be substantial, because after all, we are trading freedoms and security for gun control at that point. It’s a lot easier to protect your home and family with a Glock. It is a lot more difficult for an invading nation to occupy, if we are all armed. No matter to what degree you agree with that notion, it is a trade off.
     
  4. BigCypressGator1981

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    Would a 10% reduction in crimes committed with a firearm qualify as "substantial?" 15%?
     
  5. okeechobee

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    Not at all and you’d be silly to want to trade your right to bear arms for a minuscule 10% reduction in crime that includes a gun. At that point, you’d be rewarding criminals more than you would law-abiding citizens. Why would we trade 10% crimes involving guns for 100% ban on law-abiding citizens to own a gun for protection? Substantial reduction would be like 70% or more.
     
  6. gatordavisl

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    Bullcrap. Guns would be too expensive for most criminals to afford. I've heard so many times that "the number of responsible gun owners far outnumbers the idiots." What happened in Australia?
     
  7. okeechobee

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    What about the tens of millions of guns criminals already have now?
     
  8. BigCypressGator1981

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    70% reduction is pie in the sky fantasyland. lol. Even with mandatory confiscation that's a pipe dream. There are simply too many in circulation for that type of metric to ever be realistic. But a voluntary buy back program coupled with outlawing the production of new assault weapons and high capacity magazines and implementing a national gun registry could potentially lower it by 20-25% over the course of 25-30 years. And none of that would be "trading your right to bear arms" - that's just silly hyperbole.
     
  9. okeechobee

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    If you’re not going to be honest about the trade off, then there is no point in discussing. Canceling the 2nd amendment is a big deal. If you don’t see that, then you don’t have a respect for our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
     
  10. gatordavisl

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    Get a bunch of good ole boyz, you know, the owners of the other hundreds of millions of guns, and go shoot 'em up!
     
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  11. okeechobee

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    Okay, thanks for your meaningful contribution to the discussion.
     
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  12. BigCypressGator1981

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    Again with the ridiculous hyperbole.
     
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  13. Gatoragman

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    You may be surprised by my answer but yes indeed we need to prosecute the LEO for not enforcing the law just like we should criminalize the law makers who make things like no bail release and allowing criminals back on the street before the paperwork is done. I say this recognizing that there is a lot of laws that need to be changed.
     
  14. okeechobee

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    You're being intellectually dishonest, unless you're suggesting we continue to allow gun sales as normal through the buyback, which would sort of defeat the purpose. Perhaps you're simply intellectually incapable.
     
  15. ursidman

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    I knew that controlling gun violence was a lost cause when nothing was done after the slaughter of 26 six and seven year olds in Sandy Hook. Meant nothing.
     
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  16. BigCypressGator1981

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    Sensible gun laws and the 2nd amendment can co-exist. For example - you're not allowed to purchase an Uzi due to The Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. Did that law "cancel the 2nd amendment?"

    Was the the 2nd amendment "canceled" during the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban?

    Your hyperbole makes it hard to take you seriously.
     
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  17. antny1

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    ?

    Thats convenient logic.By your argument why have a border since illegals are gonna get in anyway? Right? You really think stricter regulations aren't going to make it harder for a kid to commit the next school shooting? Didn't the kid in Virginia get denied years past from obtaining one? Maybe those 3 deceased weren't saved this time but someone else's kids were potentially when he was denied a gun years ago....
     
  18. Gatoragman

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    If he was denied doesn't that mean the gun law/regulation worked?
    How did he get the gun?
     
  19. antny1

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    He got it years later when the system failed.
     
  20. channingcrowderhungry

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    The people.giving this "come on mans" really haven't been following the comments from the far right wing on this shooting.
     
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