Stop putting words in my mouth. Treating people equally NOW and making uo for PAST sins are two completely separate issues. You are trying to conflate the two. If you want to talk about reparations, we can have that debate. This was about equality now, not the the past. Also. MLKs own words in his dream speech was that people be judged on the content of the character NOT the color of their skin. So how does that translate into affirmative action and race based admissions exactly?? Sure feels like some groups are being judged a little more equally than others.
I said nothing of the sort or even mentioned ignoring the past. I dont need you to put words in my mouth. But that was a nice attempt to try and pivot away from the point about treating people equally NOW. In fact, if you read my other posts, I expicitly stated we should not ignore the past so we dont make those same mistakes. If you want to talk reparations, that is an entirely separate debate apart from treating people equally now. Equal treatment means equal. At least be forthright about it and state you dont want equal treatment and think minorities need special treatment. Stop claiming you want equality when you clearly want some groups to receive special treatment. Thats not equality, by definition. Its not even debatable. Affirmative action is NOT equality. And before you tryand put more words in mouth, please reread all of my posts and note that at no time did I ever say affirmative action is bad. I stated it will breed resentment and envy in the groups that dont benefit from it, and thats absolutely true. And I said that it needs to end at some point, which is also true. But to claim affirmative action is equality is just silly.
I dont disagree. Never said otherwise. Out of curiosity, what did you think my point about affirmative action is? You seem to be arguing against an opinion I never stated. Here it is plain and simple: Affirmative action is NOT equality. That's it. Period. All the follow up arguments about making up for past sins, reparations, etc, etc. are totally legitimate and valid. And completely separate from my point. Don't assume you know my mind on those points.
"It intellectually dishonest to claim to fight for equality while simultaneously espousing affirmative action." Horseshit. Just because "affirmative action" isn't itself "equality" does not mean that it isn't a tool that can be used to fight inequality. That's not intellectually dishonest. Plain and simple.
Classic bullying tactics to the point where they attempt to instruct ones of a particular race how they should feel about… their race.
Since you keep wanting to engage in this discussion let me try one more time to settle this. Portland Antifa protesters caught on video bullying elderly motorist, woman in wheelchair. You can literally find hundreds of articles like this that were going on during the summer of love and after the truly horrific George Floyd incident that everybody I know denounced. I have never heard anyone defend the actions of Derek Chauvin and anyone who did is dead wrong. And while you will say that it doesn't really address my point of mobs asking white people to beg for forgiveness I suggest that's just semantics because it doesn't fit your definition of what I was saying. I suggest you look at the bigger picture of what was going on. Mobs "constantly" confronting restaurant goers, buildings and churches being burnt to the ground, police being attacked, mobs attacking Federal Building and people "constantly being murdered. I make a statement to include another tactic that was used at the time and you decide that I misused the word "constant". Try taking a look at the bigger point that seemed to go over your head and look at the bigger picture. Would you at least agree that anarchy instigated by BLM and Antifa was a "constant" thing for quite awhile. Now put yourself in the place of a white woman walking down the sidewalk. A Black man comes running towards you and demands for you to get on your knees and beg forgiveness. Ha, Ha, right it is just a joke, however with the temperature of the nation at the time I don't think even you would blame her for being petrified. I tried to bring out one of the side effects of what was "constantly" going on during that time and you tell me it didn't happen. Well I showed you 2 videos of it happening and you write them off because it didn't fit your definition of why you objected to my statement. So now I once and for all ask you to look at the bigger picture and the real purpose of my post which is to say racism in any form is dangerous and should not be put up with....Period. I do however agree with one point you made and I will change my wording in the future. Reverse Racism is really just racism not a beast of a different color. PS- Sorry for the bold print it happened after I copied and pasted the headline I sent you and I couldn't figure out how to change the font.
It isn't about my definition. It is about what you said. Now you are shifting to a general resentment towards people on the left away from your initial claim, that white people are constantly told to beg for forgiveness, when no such thing happened in these videos either. Stop trying to make the fact that you made an unsupportable claim about me and my "definitions." I am using basic English definitions, nothing more. I think the point of your post was to deflect from one form of racism. In the same way that you did by deflecting blame to African tribes for slavery. It is all meant to minimize the racist system developed in the US and perpetuated for years, because admitting that is uncomfortable.
I can see that no matter what I say, what my intention was or how I feel in my heart, it will never get through to you. You want to win an argument so bad that no truth I give you will sway your opinion. Your perceptions of whether or not I justified my position means nothing to me. I don't even know why I wasted my time with you. In fact I expect that people like you have no "bend" in their understanding. I explained my position to you if that's not good enough for you .....than just live with it.
Have you considered why that perhaps you claimed something is constantly happening when you can't even show it happening in earnest once (although it probably has happened once over the entire 330 million people in this country, as most things have, but, obviously it isn't constant) is because of your own emotions/resentments, not because of the reality?
You are so missing my point that really there is no reason to continue on. while I don't necessarily agree with it, I respect your position on the subject. How about we agree to disagree. We have exhausted our positions on this. Time to move on. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your loved ones hopefully we can move on to a different discussion in the near future.
Please know that he will never see your view, nor attempt to. He is compensated to push an agenda and all you do by responding to him is to give him a springboard to spew more of his agenda. You will never change one single opinion he has, because he’s not paid to agree with you 5% of the time. He is paid to put forth the agenda his superiors set out for him.
Why would you need to pay a bot? Or am I now a person? Also, who is paying me and why are they paying for my insider account to discuss Gator sports and find out about recruiting? I am intrigued by all of this. *Grabs popcorn*
Read this post: They're not two separate issues, not based on the way you define "equal." We can't change history. We can however seek to remedy the harm we did then and are still doing now. But that requires race-conscious policies. You can't remedy harm caused by race-conscious policies by ignoring race. What you advocate for is the pretense of equality, not genuine equality.
The intention of affirmative action is to compensate for the historic harms by narrowing the opportunity gap. It is a remedial policy intended to push us closer to genuine equality. That some white people resent and envy Black people over affirmative action says far more about their character than the merits of the policy.
More DNC trash. Insulting people on Thanksgiving Eve for having a genuine opinion. (ie not one that is bought and paid for by the DNC)
It is sad how often a conversation turns into insults and name calling. Once the first insult is thrown the conversation goes downhill from there. There are people with very strong opinions on this site and I have yet to see the person back down from an insult. I know I won't. I strive for a conversation with someone that agrees to be mutually respectful and is just looking for an exchange of ideas. Those conversations are few and far between but fulfilling when they happen.
